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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    There is absolutely no line between what you are suggesting and tyranny. People never seem to get that because they paternalistically think their motives are good, therefore they should be managing everyone else's lives.

    Let's start with the fact that your idea of the common good is different than the next guys'. ... which is different from Vladimir Putin's or Kim Jong Un's.

    What you are suggesting is tyranny, no matter how you might try to couch it in terms of all the good you think you'd be doing. Your life, and how you choose to live it or what you choose to do with it, should belong to you, not whatever someone else has deemed to be the collective good. ... taking away your freedom to live it the way you want.

    I'll take freedom and individual rights, thanks. I certainly don't agree with that forced Civilian Conservation Corps stuff. And I don't agree with mandatory military service when there isn't an imminent threat or war.
     
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  2. TrooperBari

    TrooperBari Well-Known Member

    A thread worth reading from Estonia's former defense chief. Russia's approach might have relied more on panic than planning. It's optimistic so take it with the requisite grain of salt, but it suggests Russian occupation might not be the fait accompli some think.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    noted
     
  4. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    So, I think Zelrnsky has been magnificent. And like others have said I think it comes from a place where he, like other Ukrainians his age, remembers growing up under the Soviet thumb. I admire him and I think it's great he's standing for his country. But at some point, if this gets out of balance and Russia is close to taking Kyiv, I think he needs to flee and be a government in exile. There needs to be the elected government of Ukraine still functioning even if it's outside the country. If Zelensky and the rest of his government is dead, and Russia installs puppets, then there is no democratically elected government of Ukraine anywhere. And I really hope he's weighing that.
     
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  5. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    When decades of relative peace and relative prosperity cause systematic flaws in your society, you need to fix the society not the peace.
     
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  6. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Zelenskyy said, “The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.”

     
  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  9. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    I know that some of the war stories are not going to stand up. They're propaganda.

    Some do.

     
  11. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

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    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

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