Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Neutral Corner · Mar 2, 2022

Batman · Mar 2, 2022

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The Chinese have spies, too. They knew the Russians were going in. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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There was a New York Times report last week that said we were feeding intel to the Chinese to try and persuade them to get Russia to back down, only for the Chinese to turn it right over to the Russians. This went on for a couple of months.

wicked · Mar 2, 2022

Interesting tidbit in here, if true. Ukrainians say they were tipped off to a plot to kill Zelensky… by the Russian FSB.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-russia-ukraine-assassination-attempt-foiled/

Neutral Corner · Mar 3, 2022

Might be true. Might be disinfo to piss off the Chechens.

WriteThinking · Mar 3, 2022

This is an extraordinary interview, in The New Yorker, with Dmitry Muratov, the editor-in-chief of the independent, Nobel Peace Prize-winning Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, as it continues to operate in the midst of attempted media control and manipulation by Putin.

How Russia’s Nobel-Winning Newspaper Is Covering Ukraine

Neutral Corner · Mar 3, 2022

Songbird · Mar 3, 2022

Saw both Dead shows at Highgate Vermont.

Della9250 · Mar 3, 2022

Dog8Cats · Mar 3, 2022

WriteThinking said: ↑

I posted this over on the Biden thread, following up on Biden's State of the Union address, but am copying it to here, as well, because it might be better suited for this thread:

Was I the only one who actually teared up a little bit when President Biden spoke to the Ukraine ambassador, and about Ukraine? I'd bet not.

Those were by far the most successful, affecting, and clearly bipartisan parts of the speech. And Biden should have built on them by speaking about them even more.

It's what is top of people's minds right now, and, kind of poignantly, I think, Ukraine's plight has spoken to Americans, has concerned them, and frankly, has unified them more than anything else in years. Biden should have used that, and spoken to it more than he did.

I mean, I get why he didn't, and maybe that's exactly my issue. But what I heard was how he, the U.S. and other NATO countries will deploy troops to and protect and defend "every inch" of NATO interests in the event that such efforts are needed, and all I could think was, "OK, but what about Ukraine?"

In the past week, this is a country, a people and a president that has moved and inspired us, reflected us and the democratic ideals of NATO, I think, and reminded us again about what we've always said we represented at our best. And yet, Biden again made it seem that under no circumstances, and no matter what happens, the U.S. will not go there to provide any manpower or more direct military support to Ukraine's cause -- that weapons provisions, economic sanctions and, essentially, moral support, is the best we can do. Or, the best we're going to do, anyway.

In saying that, it feels to me like we're abandoning Ukraine to its fate -- a disastrous end to it, and this war -- and we shouldn't do that. It feels just like throwing money at something but never touching it, even if the principles involved are exactly the ones you say all the time that you believe in, support, celebrate, and would protect for yourself if you had to. It sounds like we're saying, "We stand with Ukraine," but won't really stand up for it.

I read something the other day about how Ukraine should be invited to join NATO, that it has earned it, and I agree.

Then, would Biden/the U.S. step in in a faster, more direct, and more meaningful way? It certainly sounded like it.

So, where does that leave Ukraine? And why is it being left there? Something feels just...not right about this. Like we're just going to let something bad happen to Ukraine that should not.
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Yup, something is not right about this. But I see little chance of the U.S. making things right. ... At least on the up-and-up.
One of my strongest hopes is that the baddest bad-ass motherfuckers on "our" side - the covert/black-ops/"contracted" warriors - are badder than "their" bad-ass motherfuckers and are working to prevent what we all fear will happen in Ukraine.
And I also hope that "our" side has opened its ears to any and all offers of advice and assistance from friendly countries and organizations that might have more experience in how to prevent things such as we all fear will happen in Ukraine.

DanOregon · Mar 3, 2022

I have no doubt that there IS US involvement in Ukraine - weapons for certain, perhaps a few "military advisors" etc.

wicked · Mar 3, 2022

Much more likely off-the-books CIA guys.

Regan MacNeil · Mar 3, 2022

Neutral Corner said: ↑

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They’re back. Using pics of Black people as avatars and getting #IStandWithRussia trending. No one’s buying it, tho.

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