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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Conscripts take time to train just to service, let alone to 21st century combat. Historically, including our own history, they do poorly in wars of foreign occupation. If Russia is running out of combat-ready forces after six weeks of war, it's facing serious problems.
     
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  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    I don't think anyone is really sure of what Putin is running out of. Or how much he needs to accomplish whatever it is he's trying to accomplish.

    But we've already stipulated this is going to be a long "war."

    I'm sure Putin has - or will find - the resources to fight on. And on and on and on.
     
  3. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Yeah, and there were people in Union blue ready to write off half the map after first Manassas. Microwave wars are an anomaly. It’s time to think at crock pot speed and not panic with each morning’s headlines.
     
  4. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Not really Russia/Ukraine but related.
    I read this morning where the U.S. Navy is getting ready to decommission some of the littoral combat ships. These things were ordered post 9/11 because "we don't need ocean going combat ships anymore!" The focus was shifted to terrorists and pirates. Now, after less than 10 years in the fleet and billions and billions of dollars, they are being scraped to make way for ocean going combat ships because of Russia and China.
    The old Cold War Navy vet in me says: Fucking idiots; I could have told you that.
     
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  5. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    There were a lot of good ideas when it came to LCS and its swappable mission modules.

    But as soon as they did the old, "we can't pick one hull so we'll just have them both!" thing, it quickly spiraled into utter debacle. Ended up with a platform that could conceivably lots of things, and none of them particularly well.
     
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  6. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    The one they are scrapping is what seems to me to be the better of the two.
     
  7. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    On the surface, the tri-marines seem cool, but it's another thing they have to engineer around (as opposed to the traditional hull, which has been around since the very first boat ever floated).

    Plus they can't seem to fix numerous engine problems. Nevertheless: The program will be drastically simplified once they're not trying to field two different ships filling the same platform need.
     
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  8. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    No better SJ.com than NavalArchitectSJ.com.
     
  9. OscarMadison

    OscarMadison Well-Known Member

    This is one of the more frustrating books I've read about how we turn a blind eye as long as it doesn't inconvenience us.

    The Story of a Secret State: My Report to the World by Jan Karski

    The technology: Yes. The attitudes? NSM

    Have a friend who decided to be Quaker. He says this whole thing sounds like his Friends House deciding if they need to tell gangs they can't use their kitchen anymore. (I wish I was making this up.)

    Revisiting Kasparov to add this: If we'd listened to him, we might not have had to deal with a President Trump.
     
  10. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    At least they shut down the Zumwalt destroyers after only building two.
     
  11. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Word for word correct.
     
  12. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    It's hard to judge the tone you're going for here, but FYI: Some people got out of journalism and got into "other" careers, up to and including supporting the surface navy.
     
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