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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

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  1. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    Remember when:
    --The right-wing activist wife of a current SCOTUS justice was implicated in a plot to overturn a presidential election result?
    --Trump took home piles of classified documents after leaving the White House?
    --Jared Kushner got a big fat investment from the Saudis even though their own advisors warned against it?
    --White House call logs from January 6, 2021 revealed unexplained gaps?
     
    garrow, Apr 25, 2022
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  2. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    Yes. Those are not the same issue. At all. I'm not sure why you think they are. In fact, if churches paid taxes, then they're free to be involved in politics. Now, they're tax exempt and increasingly involved in politics which is dangerous. I always think the mixture of politics and religion is danger.

    But SCOTUS has ruled that not only are corporations allowed to be involved in politics, they're essentially people when it comes to 'political expression,' especially in giving money. Now, do I think corps should have that power? No. I think only individuals should ever be able to contribute and that PACs should be outlawed, but I digress.

    But the government, any government, passing a law to punish a company because it publicly disagreed with said government is a massive, huge erosion of rights. And a move toward authoritarian rule.

    I think that's pretty apparent.
     
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    Mngwa, Apr 25, 2022
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  3. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    There are more than a million alligators in Florida, and we can't get one to eat Ron Desantis.
    I guess even gators don't eat shit.
     
    Driftwood, Apr 25, 2022
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I think it's the same exact issue.

    For the last 55 years, businesses in Florida got treated one way. ... Disney got treated in a different, advantaged way.

    The special district law allowed it to avoid the red tape others have to deal with, setting its own building codes. It was worth an enormous amount of money to Disney's owners .And financially, it could issue its own muni debt, to the tune of something like $4 trillion. $1 trillion of which is still outstanding. Because they got to sell that debt in the form of a municipal bond, which is exempt from Federal tax, they were given an advantage over other corporations in the form of lower borrowing costs. It unfairly made Disney more competitive.

    I don't see how it is different from a church not having to pay the same income or property taxes that every other entity must pay. It's goverment treating entities differently, with the law not applying to everyone equally.

    No arguments about what is going on here. ... DeSantis is punishing Disney for speaking out about the don't say gay law. But way too many people are jumping on it as a first amendment issue when they never cared in the first place that what this does is remove privileges that Disney had that everyone else doesn't, which was an abuse of government too if you are a civil libertarian. As a matter of principle, if you are that much of a civil libertarian where you are outraged by the free speech issue, shouldn't you have been outraged over the last 55 years that the law wasn't being applied equally and Disney was being advantaged over others by the state government? I mean, isn't equal treatment under the law as important as the civil liberty you are now focused on? Or does it just matter depending who the parties involved are and how you feel about them?

    I just don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that churches should not be tax exempt by government, but when government gives Disney advantageous status it's somehow different.
     
    The Big Ragu, Apr 25, 2022
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  5. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Maybe Musk will die in a battery fire.
     
    goalmouth, Apr 25, 2022
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  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I would like to see doctorquant produce an example of someone calling for government punishment of a corporation that is in any way similar to what Florida is trying to do to Disney on this board. I will be curious to see if he can produce an example or if he even tries.
     
    outofplace, Apr 25, 2022
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  7. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    When I lived in Florida in the 80s Sumter County was one big swamp
    Now it’s The Villages, thanks to a special designation much like the one Disney received
    But DeSantis isn’t threatening The Villages, who are good little Republican soldiers
    And I agree with Gee that nothing will happen to Disney
    All it needs to do is get back in line, give $$$ to DeSantis and keep its corporate mouth shut
     
    Jake from State Farm, Apr 25, 2022
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  8. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    Yeah, not good.

    Delete delete delete.

    Edit: But they will be preserved somewhere, I'd guess.

     
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    Machine Head, Apr 25, 2022
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  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    LOL ... you dummy.
     
    doctorquant, Apr 25, 2022
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  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Translation: You've got nothing. Run back to your little echo chamber, doc.
     
    outofplace, Apr 25, 2022
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  11. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Ummmm ... did you not even read, e.g., @Mngwa post(s)? Or were they written at too high a level for you?
     
    doctorquant, Apr 25, 2022
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  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    It's probably a good thing Planned Parenthood or the ACLU don't fall into the "politics meddling (corporate) entity" category.
     
    doctorquant, Apr 25, 2022
    #31932
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