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Elon Musk takes over Twitter

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, Apr 25, 2022.

  1. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Always loved this quote.

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    Also worth noting, about one-fifth of the the US population has Twitter - the same percentage as dentists that don't recommend Trident gum. Two-thirds of the the US watched the most recent Super Bowl.
     
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  2. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    In macro terms, yes, there are only two. There's public money and private money. The first comes to advance socio-economic-political goals. The second comes with the expectation of eventually making a profit. As noted above, Musk has saddled Twitter with an annual debt payment higher than its current annual profit. If he can't solve that problem, he won't get more private funding.
     
  3. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Yes, he’s going to personally bankrupt himself and his entire company. I don’t worship at the altar of Elon Musk, but he’s not that’s stupid.

    Unless Peter Thiel is involved in this. Then all bets are off.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This is why banks require collateral.

    If the value of Tesla stock drops dramatically, Morgan Stanley can be made whole by a margin call. And that would be a problem for Elon Musk, because for all the talk of his $250 billion (or whatever it is) net worth, that wealth isn't very liquid. If he can't sell pieces of his businesses himself to meet a margin call, instead of owning Tesla stock that has lost value, but still makes him a fabulously wealthy man, he potentially can lose the entire value of the stock he pledged. He is way overleveraged to anything negative happening. It goes beyond the bubble gum and bullshit he has employed in the past to get bailed out when he has written checks he couldn't cash. And really, this is an entirely different beast because the last time he was bailed out, it was by the federal government at all of our expense, combined with the Federal Reserve keeping his ability to borrow billions of dollars going and going by mispricing the debt markets. Maybe his luck continues. But if it doens't, Morgan Stanley is not going to eat tens of billions of dollars without a margin call. Then? It really is his problem as much as theirs.
     
  5. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    I don't understand the worship. He's an heir who makes cars that don't especially work. And if you worship him on Twitter he's not going to buy you a boat.

    If this destroys Twitter I am in full support.
     
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  6. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Google is so much smarter than these clowns like Musk and Zuckerberg. Do evil, heinous stuff, but do it quietly so nobody talks about it.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    friend of the household nutshells it

     
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  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Another bad taste trumpian captain of industry - a clueless, classless ur-douchebag bro, popping his collar at convention, restraint, good taste and good manners.

    So, you know, a role model.

     
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What exactly is he evil, heinous stuff that Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg have done?

    I would point out that one major difference between Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg is that Zuckerberg built a business that has been relatively debt free, growing impressively on the back of operating profits without government subsidization or endless borrowing. When there were questions about the viability of the business, Zuckerberg was nimble enough to transition to a mobile strategy that has kept the business very profitable, even if it no longer is growing the way a lot of people would like. Facebook earned $117 billion last year. Tesla earned less than $6 billion dollars last year, almost $1.5 billion of that from the sales of emissions credits, not from the sale of cars. And the company itself still has between $5 and $6 billion in long-term debt.
     
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Not just more than it earned, but significantly more than it earned. And this is a guy who is relatively cash poor, so he can't reach into his couch cushions that easily to meet those interest payments -- unless something about how liquid he is, changes. He already had been funding his lifestyle with loans against the value of his Tesla stock, although he did a massive pump and dump (using Twitter) recently and sold a lot of his stock, so maybe it's not quite as dire for him as it would have been previously.

    It all will work out fine if Tesla manages to stay a company that trades at 200+ times earnings. But htat requires distorted markets, which is completely in the hands of Jay Powell and a committee of monetary mandarins. They'd love to keep Elon Musk flush, because that is their purpose, but runaway inflation (which they caused) has thrown a crimp into things and now Musk is at the whim of them either letting inflation keeping running away without it bringing about an armed revolution, or consequently htem somehow being able to magically tame that inflation without popping the credit-induced bubble he has benefitted from.
     
  11. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    azrael-

    He's trying to be Tony Stark. Not cool enough. But he doesn't know that.

    In some ways he's even less self-made than Trump. Imagine what kind of trouble Trump might have created with his emerald mine allowance.

    When I see Musk I see the dork in Real Genius who takes all credit (and riches) for the advancements of his underlings.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That's hyperbole.

    You can question if Tesla (and SpaceX) is worth the valuation it currentlygets. But comparing him to Donald Trump is absurd and the notion that he's worth $250+ billion today because of a dad he doesn't talk to isn't right.

    Musk is a serial entrepren3ur. He made millions from selling zip2, which his dad had nothing to do with (it was funded by angel investors). And that led to him starting X.com, which became PayPal. Even though Musk himself was running the company into the ground before they replaced him with Peter Theil, who put the focus on PayPal, Musk became fabulously wealthy when eBay bought PayPal.

    Donald Trump has never actually created anything that anyone wanted to buy from him for anywhere near that kind of money.
     
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