MLB 2022: The Long and Winding Thread

You're right ...

FULL STOP.

... and it's 1-0 in the 9th and swing the fucking bat.

 

That’s a different argument with Schwarber. One Cubs fans well know.

 

JFC. This is like a debate on Baseball Primer 20 years ago.
1) OPS. What does it measure? What does.900 mean? Is a player who hits .450/.450 better than a player who hits .350/.550? And OPS doesn't tell us what happened. At best it's an approximation. For instance, in slugging percentage, four singles in four ABs is the same as 2 doubles or 1 HR. Do they have the same value? No, they do not.
2) The way you use the term 'subjective' every stat is subjective. Anytime use choose one stat over another it is a subjective choice. The value of a stat is not whether it is subjective, but the degree to which it reveals actual production in terms of runs or losses . The advanced stats you summarily dismiss show value.
3) Your dissmial of the importance of position is almost incomprehensible. Why do players move from SS to 3B or from 3B to 1B? A prospect 'doesn't have the bat for LF'? Why are college players playing 1B discounted before the draft? The best players played SS or CF in high school and move down the defensive chain. It is easier to play 1B than it is CF. And the player who can play CF had much greater value when he can hit the same.

 

Short answer: It doesn't have to.

 

1. Actually, it does reflect what happened. There are no projections in there. It tells us exactly what it claims to tell us. When you get into more advanced metrics, there are projections and adjustments for what statisticians think should have happened, not what actually did happen.
2. Yes, every statistic is subjective. I think I mentioned that earlier. The point is that those you are pushing are even more subjective. That makes them more prone to human error or manipulation, thus less likely to be accurate.
3. I didn't dismiss the importance of position. That is a lie on your part. I call it a lie because I have been very clear on this point, so for you to so grossly misrepresent my position must be a lie. The rest of your argument in No. 3 shows once again that you are too interested in projection over evaluation when an MVP award should be given based on what happened, not a projection of what will happen next.

The other reason your argument fails is the point we both had wrong earlier in this discussion, one which I have since clarified. Miguel Cabrera's primary position in 2012 was not first base. It was third base, a more demanding defensive position. Hell, back in 1991, that was actually part of how some idiots argued for Pendleton over Bonds, because the former played third base and the latter was an outfielder, which they believed to be a less-important defensive position. Your entire argument is based on you getting a basic fact wrong. Look it up. Cabrera played 154 games at third base in 2012. He only appeared at first base twice that season. He appeared seven times as a DH.

I clarified this a while ago, so why are you still comparing the value of playing center field to first base even though Cabrera was a third baseman in 2012?

By the way, Trout only appeared in 110 games in center field in 2012, starting there 108 times. He started 29 games in left field and two in right.

 

SNY got the Yankee letter before it gets unsealed. It’s not the bombshell Red Sox fans were hoping for and, in fact, refutes the accusations made by the Red Sox.

Yanks did get fined $100k for illegal use of the clubhouse phone.

https://sny.tv/articles/yankees-letter-revealed

 

Poncy schoolboy Hal Steinbrenner going to great lengths to hide the fact the Yankees didn't wash their hands after going to the bathroom.

 

A's president Dave Kaval has been making a perfect ass of himself on Twitter today.
Dave Kaval goes on head-scratching Twitter tirade during A's-Giants game (msn.com)

Of course, probably has nothing to do with this.
Kaval: We’re down to two potential sites for new Vegas ballpark - Ballpark Digest

 

Kaval's been on a "the media is mean to us" roll of late, especially after a Sunday takeout in the Sporting Green discussing the A's attendance woes, for all the reasons already stated on this board. Was challenged to appear on a show on KGMZ to tell his side of the story and I don't know if he accepted (had a freelance gig come up at the last moment). And he's obsessed with the Giants and how they are covered. Not a good look at all.

 

Early leader in the clubhouse for the Benny Hill memorial play of the year

 

Gotta squeeze that money out of Pete Rose:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/en...roast-hard-rock-casino-cincinnati/9553123002/