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2021-22 NHL season thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Cosmo, Oct 6, 2021.

  1. Tighthead

    Tighthead Well-Known Member

    A franchise in Hamilton would be more predatory for the Sabres in terms of attendance.

    Toronto must make a killing off regional TV. They wouldn’t suffer in attendance, but bringing another team into the same broadcast area wouldn’t be in their interests.

    Houston does seem to be next in line. Many thought Dundon planned on a relocation there.

    Gord Miller of TSN insists Quebec City won’t get a team because Bettman and the owners don’t want to invite PK Peladeau into the club - he’s a bit of a nutter and an outspoken separatist.

    After Houston, I would look to Portland.
     
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  2. MTM

    MTM Well-Known Member

    Yep. It was Evans. And it was 1982, not 83 as I posted. The Kings were down 5-0 entering the third period and scored five times, tying the game at 19:55 before winning in overtime. Evans sprinted from one end of the Forum ice to the other with teammates chasing after the winner. Lessard was the goalie.
    Kings owner John C. Reilly, er Jerry Buss, left the game at the second intermission.
    The Kings went on the win the series over the heavily favored Oiler in five games.
     
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  3. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    You know how people say “I can’t watch” during a tense moment but they still do? I literally buried my head inside my T-shirt when the Avs were up in the shootout. But somehow Riddick shut them out. Preds up a point on Dallas entering tomorrow night.
     
  4. mateen

    mateen Well-Known Member

    I understand the historic role the Maple Leafs have played as English-speaking Canada's team and the hesitance to disrupt their monopoly in that market, and the desire to protect Buffalo, but doesn't there somehow have to be a way to work it out financially for everyone to get a second team in Toronto, given the size of the city and level of hockey interest? If the New York area can have three teams and southern California can have two then two in Toronto seems like it ought to be workable.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So, I am not necessarily arguing with you, but the size of the Toronto metropolitan area is probably a quarter the size of the New York metro area. Also, Long Island, NJ and NYC are close to each other in proximity, but they are pretty distinct places with their own characters. Is it like that around Toronto? I am not sure I'd make your argument based on the size of the Toronto, if I was going to do it, I'd probably just leave it at hockey being a bigger deal to people in Ontario, so the place can probably support multiple teams.
     
  6. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Doesn't Toronto have a bunch of junior hockey teams? A lot of interest in watching hockey.
     
  7. Sea Bass

    Sea Bass Well-Known Member

    Toronto does not have a major junior (OHL) hockey team. The Toronto St. Michael’s Majors (owned by Eugene Melnyk) were downtown until 2008 or so but couldn’t really draw. They moved to suburban Mississauga, kept the nickname for a few years and are now the Mississauga Steelheads.

    There are plenty of Junior A teams in the city (a notch below major junior) but I don’t think any of them draw either.

    Toronto is a notoriously “big-league only” city.
     
  8. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    Toronto also has the AHL Marlies
    I would assume they don’t draw either
     
  9. Huggy

    Huggy Well-Known Member

    The Marlies whiffed early on, charging huge prices for minor league hockey and fans tuned them out, but once they adjusted their price point and fashioned themselves as a cheaper destination than a Leafs game for kids, families and minor hockey outings, things turned around for them (some good teams helped too).
     
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  10. UPChip

    UPChip Well-Known Member

    If we assume that Bettman would subvert his own ego long enough to give up on hockey in Phoenix, Quebec has the best arena/fan interest situation by a mile, but moving them would require kicking either Detroit or Columbus into the Western Conference, which they don't want. And that's before we start getting into the language issues. Ottawa and Montreal are bilingual situations. Quebec City is basically unilingual French. When the Nordiques left the first time, there was no English language daily in the area. Other than them, you're probably looking at Houston or Kansas City.

    I've seen a lot of clowning on Florida in the last couple pages, but they just clinched the Presidents Trophy last night so unless their ownership is floundering again, I don't think anyone in the Eastern Conference is moving any time soon.
     
  11. mateen

    mateen Well-Known Member

    Toronto isn't New York, granted, but it is awfully big - greater metro area is 6.2 million, according to one source I found - and given that it would be hard to imagine a region with a higher interest in the sport it just seems like there must be a solution there. It may be the case that the impact on Buffalo, a franchise that's already in some trouble, would be more than they want to risk; I can completely understand how a team in Hamilton would be problematic for that reason.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I have to admit, I was really wrong about Florida several years ago. When they axed Gerard Gallant, the team itself looked good, but I thought Vinnie Viola was going to ruin something that was kind of working by trying to prove he's the smartest guy in the world. I couldn't figure them out, first they seemed to be axing anyone with a hockey background and turning over the team to some recent college grads with computer databases, but then they brought Dale Tallon back for a while, and the next thing you know Joel Quenneville was the coach. And they have built an offensive juggernaut of a team.

    One thing I'd say about Florida compared with some of those other cities the NHL expanded to that don't care about hockey, is that there are a lot of transplanted northeasterners in the area. Even with that, though, I don't think they draw even 15,000 fans a game, and that is with a really good team. Viola is an insanely wealthy man, so he can afford to own that team as a vanity thing, so they might not go anywhere. But that doesn't mean a team belongs there.
     
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