Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

[Starman]

If the Supreme Court was to rule that human life or citizenship begins at conception (or some other dramatically early point) then each state would have to come up with specific statutes ruling at what point termination would be legal.

 

[heyabbott]

Medicare isn't an enumerated power and yet we have it.

constitution has the promote the general welfare welfare clause which has been used to uphold numerous social welfare programs.

What is the enumerated power that allows the government to remove an individual's autonomy over their lives without individualized due process? And even with due process, what is the enumerated power to ban selected medical care and treatment?

 

[heyabbott]

The supreme commandment of thr Conservative party was that the federal government was limited to enumerated powers. The Christian's that took over the conservative have changed it to the constitution means what their version of the Bible says it means. Jesus Christ was not a founding father. He was the alleged biscuit of The Founding Father.

 

[doctorquant]

Blessed are the gerrymanderers, for they shall make the loons pick at their straitjacket straps with their teeth.

 

[DanOregon]

If the Supreme Court was to rule that human life or citizenship begins at conception (or some other dramatically early point) then each state would have to come up with specific statutes ruling at what point termination would be legal.

Always wondered why you couldn't claim a dependent on your taxes until the kid was actually born. For tax purposes, you should be able to claim an extra deduction the day after sex now right?

 

[Starman]

That would logically follow.

 

[Spartan Squad]

constitution has the promote the general welfare welfare clause which has been used to uphold numerous social welfare programs.

What is the enumerated power that allows the government to remove an individual's autonomy over their lives without individualized due process? And even with due process, what is the enumerated power to ban selected medical care and treatment?

That's not one of the clauses. That's just part of the social contract that the government of endeavoring to accomplish certain things with the constitution.

And this enumerated powers argument is bullshirt because if that was the standard for anything, the government couldn't do anything. There's a clause called the necessary and proper clause that allows congress to make laws that don't follow the exact letter of the enumerated powers. Obamacare isn't an enumerated power but it falls under the power to tax. Banning abortion is the same way. They have the power of the purse and can say no hospital can get funding off they provide abortions. Or the power to regulate interstate commerce will allow congress to pass a law that will affect businesses and hospitals because people will cross state lines of their state bans abortion.

So please, use a real argument and not idiotic bumper sticker slogans.

 

[garrow]

 

[heyabbott]

That's not one of the clauses. That's just part of the social contract that the government of endeavoring to accomplish certain things with the constitution.

And this enumerated powers argument is bullshirt because if that was the standard for anything, the government couldn't do anything. There's a clause called the necessary and proper clause that allows congress to make laws that don't follow the exact letter of the enumerated powers. Obamacare isn't an enumerated power but it falls under the power to tax. Banning abortion is the same way. They have the power of the purse and can say no hospital can get funding off they provide abortions. Or the power to regulate interstate commerce will allow congress to pass a law that will affect businesses and hospitals because people will cross state lines of their state bans abortion.

So please, use a real argument and not idiotic bumper sticker slogans.

Sorry. But you're wrong. Promote the General Welfare is the basis for the New Deal. They can regulate interstate commerce, that's enumerated. Stop dismissing arguments that you don't understand or aren't educated enough to process in a rational manner. I'm not a firm believer in the enumerated powers argument, but it does fit squarely with the constitutions actual reason for existing, delineating the powers and limits of the federal government. I'm not suggesting you get a law degree, which I have. Or an LLM which I have. Or 30 years experience dealing with constitutional issues. But I am suggesting you're so far out of your depth that you've embarrassed yourself.

 

[wicked]

I thought we were ending birthright citizenship? How can you consider a fetus a citizen if the fetus doesn't meet your citizenship test?

 

[doctorquant]

You better listen to him @Spartan Squad ... he's got a law degree, and he's not afraid to use it. His brain, on the other hand ...

 

[tapintoamerica]

You better listen to him @Spartan Squad ... he's got a law degree, and he's not afraid to use it. His brain, on the other hand ...

Are there issues with the arguments? If so, can you enumerate?