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Running 2022 Golf Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Neutral Corner, Jan 6, 2022.

  1. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, I know the merit of 72 holes and appreciate that for many of the events. But resting on "the format is the format" is how you end up with a competing league. It is possible to do things differently in golf. The Tour has the Zurich (good) and a Match Play (lousy since ditching the every-match one-and-done) -- and that's it. That's a stunning lack of imagination and laziness.

    No argument on the young stars. But how many of those guys played the Mexico Open? How many will play the John Deere? The Tour has created haves and have-nots within their own schedule, while the calendar now having big event per month, two tops, is just begging fans to not give a shit for most of the month. If a competing league can put a bunch of interesting guys together on one of those lousy weeks for something different, it's going to get a look. LIV may not be the ultimate answer, with its many flaws, but it's showing what is possible.
     
  2. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Rahm played (and won) Mexico Open. Spieth always plays John Deere. Very very few Tour events lack two or three players who're known within the overall sports fan collective, not just the golf fan collective. The real split here is that you can get paid for just showing up (like tennis) on the LIV, while the Tour doesn't allow that (acknowledged that equipment comanies and other sponsor deals undermine that position). Human nature being what it is, it's likely any Tour pro who misses like three cuts in a row might start studying the LIV alternative.
     
  3. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Spieth hasn't played the Deere since 2015. And won't this year. He'll play the U.S. Open and maybe Hartford. Already committed to the Scottish Open, then the Open.

    With the BMW coming to Castle Pines in 2024 as a playoff event, bring back the Stableford scoring they had there during all those International years.
     
  4. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Rahm won the Mexico Open at +400 odds, which is an insane number unless we're talking 2001-era Tiger. That's because the field after him was so dreadful.
     
  5. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, that was one of the weakest fields of the year. Middle event between the Masters and the PGA. Longer travel. Five events between Augusta and the PGA vs. three (including the Memorial) between the PGA and the U.S. Open. Texas guys like Spieth will play the Texas events sandwiched around the PGA and skip the Wells Fargo and Canadian, and certainly Mexico.
     
  6. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    The last 3-4 posts illustrate one issue with LIV: PGA Tour players are independent contractors and play when and where they want (as long as they play 15 times). With the huge money from LIV, will they be required to play every single event? When LIV is in Bangkok and DJ wants to go fishing for a week will they tell him, "fuck you ... you're playing." And if he's playing when he doesn't want to, what kind of effort will they get? What kind of golf will it be?

    Another issue: At one point will the Saudis want a return on their investment? No matter how much Monopoly money they're throwing at this thing, aren't they going to want something in return? Is the sportswashing all they want? The money in any professional sport is in the TV deals but the Tour has the major networks locked up for another eight years. Streaming won't pay the bills. FOX is out there but they bailed on the USGA two years ago so you have to assume they're not interested.
     
  7. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I don't disagree with you on Fox but who knows if they keep landing big names? Because it is a guaranteed product as far as the stars -- Phil said he's in for all eight events, gotta think DJ is too and anyone else with a huge advance. LIV has another bonus pool for the top three players across the seven individual events (paying $18 million/$8 million/$4 million), but players must play at least four. The team event final has a $50 million pot with $16 million to the winning team down to $1 million for the worst. It's just not an arduous schedule for guys used to the PGA Tour, and a missed start is missing easy cash.
     
  8. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    For some reason I hate watching golf tournaments that are split tees, so I’m really out on the shotgun start thing LIV is using.
     
  9. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Curious what the Tour will do to retain players - besides just threatening them and pressuring sponsors. They will have to improve the deal for the players, either by making things more flexible, putting more money in their pockets. Though I don't know if you make it easier for players to cash in, even if they aren't making cuts, or just enrich the top players more.
     
  10. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Bonus points if they use a Dicker Rod to determine who's away.
     
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  11. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    more virtue signaling

     
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