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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

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  1. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    They'll get what's been coming to them finally.
     
    goalmouth, Jun 20, 2022
    #35701
  2. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

     
    dixiehack, Jun 20, 2022
    #35702
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  3. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    Jake from State Farm, Jun 20, 2022
    #35703
  4. tea and ease

    tea and ease Well-Known Member

    I really don't understand why no-one is talking about Pete Buttigieg. He's smart, young, somewhat popular, and middle Democrat. He's male, white, and appeals to women. Other than the gay thing, what's not to like? I think he can talk his way out of the gay resistance. I think he's who the Dems should put forward.
     
    tea and ease, Jun 20, 2022
    #35704
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  5. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    The elephant metaphor is a bit on the trunk as it were.

     
    garrow, Jun 20, 2022
    #35705
  6. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    It's one thing to be gay. It's quite another to be married to a person of the same sex and to have kids.
    The moment at which a man kisses his husband and welcomes his kids on the stage of the nominating convention presents the Trumpist klan with an opportunity they will relish. It'll give them the chance to play the "love the sinner, hate the sin" card.
    It's still a bridge too far for a sufficient portion of the electorate. And that's unfortunate because Buttigieg is brilliant.
    Remember when we thought Amurrica was ready for a Black President? The rage generated by those two elections expressed itself as its next opportunity. It manifested itself in the election of an unqualified, intellectually vapid, bigoted despot. And it will lead to that outcome again.
     
    tapintoamerica, Jun 20, 2022
    #35706
    HanSenSE, Driftwood, Neutral Corner and 1 other person like this.
  7. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    I’ll take Newsom v Deathsantis 7 days a week and twice on Sunday’s.
     
    TigerVols, Jun 20, 2022
    #35707
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  8. tea and ease

    tea and ease Well-Known Member

    I hear that, and fear that. Thank you for the answer. It explains a thinking I hadn't considered. Yet still hopeful!
     
    tea and ease, Jun 20, 2022
    #35708
  9. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    wicked, Jun 21, 2022
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  10. UPChip

    UPChip Well-Known Member

    There's that, and the fact that his entire history of office includes being a mayor of a medium-sized city in Indiana and two years as secretary of a low-level cabinet department.
     
    UPChip, Jun 21, 2022
    #35710
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    There are two problems with him, I think, and it sort of divides between younger and older generations.

    For the older folks like me (where he gets more support than he gets from younger people):

    Yes, he's super smart. He's also super full of shit (my opinion). He appeals to a certain type of person because he can sell the things he's full of shit about really well and sound very convincing. And that is because he's incredibly intelligent and more articulate than most politicians. He passes off whatever he's saying as just common sense.

    The super full of shit part is also where he loses a lot of other people who have been around, because they are instinctively suspicious of politicians who have a 7-part plan for intervening in every aspect of their lives. They have seen "I am smarter than you and know what is best" politicians and have kind of figured out that their effect on the country creates the problems that they then always have a new plan to fix.

    Some of the people seduced by him then write off that opposition as homophobia (and I am not suggesting that there aren't people who will hate him solely because he's gay; it's just that those people weren't going to be voting for anyone from his party anyhow), when it's really more about the wonky, "I have a plan" thing being a turn off at this point in America.

    For the younger generations, voters in their 20s and 30s, it's much more simple:

    They largely just don't like him or people like him. They don't care about a Harvard education and a carefully cultivated resume. That just means he was privileged. Which is why I think he had so little support when he ran last time. He doesn't even benefit from being a pie-in-the-sky progressive who is going to transform the world with his brilliant ideas. To them, he's not a stodgy, white hair like Joe Biden (which is a really terrible thing to be), but they see a guy who talks some of the talk, while in reality to them, he is a Harvard, McKinsey, status quo, ally of the powerful tool. Which is why he never gains any traction there. Being really smart and accomplished, which is the selling point for him for people who like him, seemed to make him the devil to a lot of younger people.

    If what I am saying is correct, he kind of suffers from being the worst of both worlds.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2022
    The Big Ragu, Jun 21, 2022
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  12. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    I posted earlier on Mayor Pete -- I think he needs to lay low on this cycle. He's in a cabinet, which helps bolster the resume from last time, and I think if he can get another high post somewhere he'd be in a great spot for 2028 -- still mid 40s.

    I would hate for a guy that would be a great president wiped out of future contention because he went for it in 2024.
     
    Della9250, Jun 21, 2022
    #35712
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