Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

That damn cowgirl's got both. And starch, too!
And she done bushwhacked him reeeealllllll good.

 

So it looks like infant mortality is greater than abortion post theoretical viability. Delivery kills more babies than abortion kills viable fetuses. And the Christian Right doesn’t care about that.

 

Wait ... so the CDC and Guttmacher numbers can be used credibly in this discussion? Would someone please put together one of those flow charts so I can know when it's OK to use those data and when it's not OK. Or is this ...

Is the poster @doctorquant (or is the poster agreeing with or echoing @doctorquant)? -----> Yes -----> Use of those data is inappropriate

... all that's needed?

 

It’s the discussion currently being had by multiple people, one of whom seems to be in full support of abortion rights.

I don’t doubt it’s a small amount. That said, we’re having a conversation about rights. The bodily autonomy argument - which is a fairly compelling argument in some ways, doesn’t go away at 24 weeks does it? Or does it?

 

OK, pro-choosers.

 

Exactly. The "not just something," on both sides, is the difficulty with the whole issue.

 

So I'll ask you, too: Is this your argument up the natural birth of the fetus? It's fine if it is.

 

My argument is that I'm not qualified to argue or legislate against crucial medical decisions made by a pregnant woman – excuse me, birth vessel – and her their doctor in 99 percent of pregnancy cases, and it's nobody else's business, either.

And that goes double for the hypocritical, white male (and female) members of the American religious right, who should be reminded constantly that this is the modern world, and their Bible is their Bible, of course, but anyone else's Bible, religion and, yes, pregnancy issues are none of their fucking business. It's just another depraved quest for total male domination in a world being torn apart by stupid, corrupt men, and blah blah blah OK OK end of rant.

It's all been said repeatedly anyway.
But now we're down to Women's Lives Matter Too.
Who's next on the list?

 

1. Are the cross outs ironic?

2. Are these birthing person and their doctor conditions your position up until birth?

3. What’s the 1 percent where you’re qualified to argue or legislate against the medical decisions of a birthing person and their doctor?

 

And here’s where the rubber meets the road:

At some point, Congress is probably going to make a federal law, and it will likely have a week limit on by request abortion. France is 14 weeks. The Democratic preference is 24 weeks, in essence; what Britain has.

The sincere bodily autonomy argument has no week provision, really. It’s an effective rhetorical argument; it’s hard to make a law off of it, because autonomy is autonomy; to the extent pragmatism often weighs on a decision, it shouldn’t have to, in a pure autonomy discussion.

And thus, Republicans aren’t pushed on the matter, because there is no 16-week bill on the table. Or 20-week bill. There’s, in essence, one of the least restrictive abortion bills on earth. It won’t pass the Senate. The people pushing the bill know it won’t pass the Senate.

And ultimately it’s the Senate’s responsibility now to override the statehouses and make federal law. SCOTUS is full of bad people, OK, but the decision is made. The Senate makeup won’t change so dramatically in November so as to get 60 votes, and we’re not abolishing the Senate anytime soon either. So there’s either a realistic debate about how many weeks, or there’s two religions scowling at each other from across the divide.