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Running 2022 Golf Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Neutral Corner, Jan 6, 2022.

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  1. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member



    Enjoy
     
    Scout, Jul 16, 2022
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  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    playthrough, Jul 17, 2022
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  3. Chef2

    Chef2 Well-Known Member

    Chef2, Jul 18, 2022
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  4. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Part of LIV's game plan clearly is targeting the 40-something Euros like Stenson, McDowell, Garcia, Casey, and from a business sense, I get it. It's easy for fans and media to chastise them for not playing against the best, not wanting to win, blah blah, but at that age, they've got a lot of miles on them and winning just isn't happening anymore unless they catch lightning in a bottle at the right course. And the argument about "shouldn't you be loyal to where you came from?" doesn't hold as much water with the Euros given how they've watched their tour flounder for years -- and also take some Saudi money to stay afloat. So hell yeah, those guys will take $20 million guaranteed or whatever to move to Easy Street.

    I think the PGA Tour has missed the boat in not moving the Champions Tour minimum age to 45. That Tour badly needs a boost and the mid-40s guys would provide that, and their removal from the big tour would also open up more spots for the new generation. That move alone, had it been made a few years ago, probably wouldn't have stopped LIV on its own, but it may have given guys pause if they could say "nah, I've got my three-round, no-cut life tour already."
     
    playthrough, Jul 18, 2022
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  5. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    No longer feels DP’s love huh …
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    Spartan Squad, Jul 18, 2022
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  6. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    MileHigh, Jul 18, 2022
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  7. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    playthrough, Jul 18, 2022
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  8. Noholesin1

    Noholesin1 Active Member

    Nicely done, David. You just needed a place to tell all those great Ian Snyman stories, right?
     
    Noholesin1, Jul 18, 2022
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  9. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Loved Feherty with CBS, loved his Golf Channel show but he was all but invisible on tourney coverage after the move. I'm sure part of it was just the different situation with NBC; early in his time there Miller was still the dominant voice so harder to get words in. And then he wasn't following the groups anymore so wasn't always there with the leaders. He just seemed much more muted and inconsequential and that he's lost a step.

    The actual golf part of LIV is just so boring to me that even if 48 of the top 50 sign tomorrow I don't think I'd be interested in it. 54 holes and team format...

    It just screams pointless exhibition, even before considering none of the players have any motivation to truly give a shit with the purses. Ryder Cup is fun, President's Cup at times can be, and I know a lot of longtime golf fans clamor for some type of different format than the 72-hole grind, but I love watching golf because it's an individual pursuit. The individual succeeds or fails and there's no excuses about the offensive line or guys missing layups or fielders making errors or coaches messing up (though I did blame Sean Foley for a lot of things during his Tiger time!).

    Probably my two favorite Tiger stats are his record for consecutive cuts made and record with a 54-hole lead. One is about the weekly grind and the other about performing under pressure, sitting on that third-round lead. And I enjoy watching guys scramble to make the cut, knowing what it might mean for some of the guys lower down especially, and I love seeing how anyone reacts when holding the lead going into Sunday. Some of them collapse, some excel, some struggle and barely hold on but in some ways it's always dramatic, even if it's a regular stop in May. So a tour that has none of that...while also having a dumb team format I don't care about? Zero desire to watch.

    That said, for folks who know more about the innerworkings more than I do, is there anyway this doesn't end in a merger of LIV and the PGA Tour at some point? Or LIV is just going to keep slowly torturing the tour with 100 million dollar deals each week to major winners and has-beens alike?
     
    Small Town Guy, Jul 18, 2022
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  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    If I had to guess, and I could be wrong, it may take time but there is going to be a peace deal. The corporate sponsors who keep both Tours afloat will eventually blanch at keeping up with the Saudis. In return for peace, LIV will have to shitcan the stupid team and 54 hole concepts. Small Town Guy is right, they are exhibitions more than real events. Way way back when I was a kid, even top pros did exhibitions at various clubs where they'd hit trick shots, tell stories, give tips, and maybe play nine against the club pro. I saw Tony Lema give one of those in the Poconos in the early '60s. Probably paid better than oh, third place money at any non-major tourney.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Jul 18, 2022
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  11. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Could 72 holes become a majors-only deal, like five sets in men’s tennis?
     
    dixiehack, Jul 18, 2022
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  12. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I can't see a merger right now, the PGA Tour is too stubborn and is sure it can ride this out with its own improvements announced recently such as the limited-field, no-cut, $20 million events in the fall (huh, where'd they get that idea?) plus the fact that Rory, Spieth, JT, Rahm and other megastars have said they aren't going anywhere (of course, we've seen how some of those proclamations have gone). The new partnership with the DP World Tour also opens a pipeline for their good young guys to get to the PGA Tour.

    I think LIV's attempts at getting world ranking points will go nowhere and down the road their stars may have to hoof it through qualifiers to get into the US and British Opens (for the Masters, everyone but the past champs might be screwed). But there's also a large number of guys like the 40-somethings who won't care and will be happy to play team golf and have a good time. And that could actually be a perfectly good TV show and fun for ticketholders. I understand that players have to take a side in this war, but don't understand why fans do. It's possible to watch both and enjoy two different flavors. If you like Feherty, you might really like him in the LIV setting if he can be himself.

    If the PGA Tour could swallow its pride and agree to turn the Presidents Cup into a PGA Tour vs. LIV competition, that would be phenomenal.
     
    playthrough, Jul 18, 2022
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