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Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by outofplace, May 3, 2022.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You can say that about almost anything. ... I am sure that you can find a person or two who thinks that stealing a car is in a gray area, not all good or all bad. But societally we make laws to prohibit people from doing things that people harm others -- where there is broad agreement, not necessarily in "all good" or "all bad" terms.

    You're free to do whatever you want. ... but there are limits (laws) that keep you from hurting others in the course of doing whatever you want.

    Abortion is impossible in that regard, because you have more than half the people that just see the "free to do whatever you want" part and put it in terms of "nobody should be telling someone else what they can and can't do with their body." And you have the rest who put killing a fetus into the "harming others" category. And people with each of those views largely talk past each other and are intractable in how they see it. It's why I was saying that it really comes down to one or the other. ... not all the ways people try to frame it to try to bolster the one or the other they prefer.
     
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  2. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I think those are the poles of the discussion. The extremist 'always' / 'never' 10% at either end of the argument.

    Most folks are in the middle. Safe. Legal. Rare.

    Funny how that didn't work out as policy, though.

     
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You can't legislate "safe, legal, rare" anymore than you can make any law say: "You shouldn't do it, but if you do it, it's fine."

    If "safe, legal, rare" is your mantra, it means you think abortion should be legal. And that puts you with about 60 percent of Americans (give or take). ... there really isn't a 10 percent within that 60 percent.

    The middle you are talking about is a distinction without a difference. It's either legal or not legal.
     
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  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    If any of you remember back to right after the formal repeal of Roe came out, there was discussion about the meeting of the professional society of OB/GYNs in Texas to do accreditation testing. Many felt that holding it in a state with such restrictive laws sent the wrong message and might put some doctors at risk of arrest. The follow up is that the meeting in Texas was cancelled and they found a way to do the competency testing online instead.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Abortion wasn’t a “policy” matter for 50 years. Policy now has to be made and, I suspect it will be made, as a federal law, eventually.
     
  7. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Yeah yeah. There are second amendment solutions available for the snitches.
     
  8. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  9. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    I still want to know what happens next. Someone challenges the law, it gets fast-tracked to SCOTUS and the robes strike it down, right?
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Not till it's just the right challenge so that the ruling can be slanted in the proper direction.
     
  11. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    I'm not a legal scholar, so take this layman's take with a grain of salt and set your emotions about abortion aside for a minute.
    If I understand the SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs and the ensuing analysis correctly, the big issue with Roe had less to do with abortion and much more to do with the leap in logic that SCOTUS made in Roe in the first place. This Court's reasoning is that Roe created a legal standard out of thin air that it shouldn't have, and as such that ruling was in error. The current SCOTUS overruled the 1973 SCOTUS. And since there is no federal abortion law in place, the issue is returned to the states to decide for themselves.
    People keep saying that SCOTUS usurped power, and it's exactly the opposite. SCOTUS relinquished or at least scaled back a power it had granted itself 50 years ago. A lot of the rulings in this term were, in one way or another, a rebuke on decades of various governmental branches and agencies adopting powers and roles they aren't entitled to — including SCOTUS itself. We're just so accustomed to government grabbing more and more power that we can't recognize when one branch gives some up.
    But I digress.
    If I'm reading it right, if Congress were to pass a federal law codifying a right to abortion — assuming it passed constitutional muster in all the other ways, which of course is up to interpretation — then it should stand. Until Congress sees fit to do that, it's thrown back to the states to make their own laws on the issue in accordance with the 10th Amendment.
    With all that said, a federal law in either direction — and since it seems to be an all or nothing issue at this point, the likelihood of a constitutionally acceptable compromise seems small — would surely bring about its own fresh wave of 10th Amendment lawsuits and 'round and 'round we go.
     
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  12. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    For Congress to address the issue, there would have to be an explicit power to regulate abortion.
    A constitutional argument raised is an equal protection claim. Ruth Bader Ginsburg criticized Roe and thought it should have been decided on these grounds. There is a This American Life or something similar episode about a member of the military who was refused to have an abortion and challenged it on equal protection. The matter ended after Roe.
     
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