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Muh Muh Muh My Corona (virus)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Twirling Time, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I heer ya.
     
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  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Which is my point. Get it to protect YOU (not from getting it, but to possibly mitigate illness), but stop the facade about doing it for others. Which is what any vaccine mandate is about.

    For all his stupidity, a vaccine won't stop, say, Djokovic from getting it, or spreading it. So why mandate it for him to enter the country?
     
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  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Meh ... it was OK. Some of the extrapolations are pretty out there (e.g., the dinosaurs develop a preference for certain crops in a bajillionth of a second, evolutionarily-speaking), but there's a lot of truth underpinning the premise (which is, basically, "You don't know shit about where this could be heading!").

    The book you have, is it the Gleick one? It has been many a year since I read that. That body of work was all the rage in the organizational disciplines when I was a doctoral student*, but then everybody realized that putting it to use is, to put it mildly, hard.

    It was also around then that the cognitive biases stuff (Tversky and Kahneman, etc.) was going gangbusters, and several of us suffered through a semester-long seminar offered by a guy who was just smitten by both that and chaos/complexity theory. To cope a classmate and I came up with a song, to the tune of John Hiatt's "Shredding the Document," we called "It's Chaos and Cognitive." (I can only remember our "title" ... that was 25-ish years ago.)

    *Years earlier I'd bumped up against some of it when my wife-to-be was a grad student in architecture. Some of her more avant garde professors had gone nuts over fractal-this! and fractal-that! Not knowing diddly about it, I'd try to get her (and her classmates) to explain it, but they never made any sense. Turns out they (professors included) knew barely more than diddly about it.
     
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  4. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Because it’s the best we have. And it will get better. And just because he can get it and spread it doesn’t mean we want him to die.
     
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  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    You're the expert ... even in its current form, the vaccine reduces the chances he'll spread it, right?
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  7. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Yes, but that wanes pretty quickly.

    I think the numbers are something like the vaccine being ~60 percent effective against infection at first, but falling to less than 20 percent within two months or so.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The vaccine reduces the chance that someone will spread it, although it's not clear how much. ... and it's not a hard and fast thing, it depends on the individual.

    But if you get infected, spreading Covid is a matter of your viral loads.

    The vaccine creates a lasting memory cell response, and if it kicks in quickly enough and strongly enough for someone because they are vaccinated, the reduced viral loads can make it so that the person is less likely to infect others.

    The thing is, there is no guarantee that anyone who is vaccinated is going to have that strong of a memory cell response to where it fights off enough of the virus, quickly enough that it has that effect. It's really an individual thing.

    At this point, I'm of two minds about having to be vaccinated to get in the U.S. The virus is spreading regardless, so is it really necessary to have that restriction at this point? In the case of Djokovic, the U.S. won't let him in. ... yet, there will be spectators at the event he is coming to play in who weren't vaccinated. So does it really make any sense? The flip side is, fuck him (and he used to be my favorite tennis player, by a lot). ... He's not a U.S. citizen, has no inherent right to be in the country, so if he's being punished for being a dumbass, should I really care that much?

    EDIT: Also, supposedly Djokovic was previously infected, which means that he is going to have a memory cell response that may even be greater than he would have from just the vaccine alone (if he hadn't been infected). So it really is a "fuck him" punishment at this point more than something that makes sense based on what we empirically know.
     
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  9. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    Quant-

    Gleick it was. [​IMG]
    This specific edition, which was late 1990s when offbeat intellectualism had a certain value.
    I was surprised by how often I saw this book whenever I'd be in people's personal libraries over the years. It probably made Gleick's career?

    I spoke with statisticians for personal projects from time to time and would try to squeeze in a question about chaos theory, of these much smarter people.
    The consensus was that it was corn syrup for nerds, fun to play around with but in the end nothing you could prove, which I suppose is what maths are.
     
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  10. Scout

    Scout Well-Known Member

    Hey, we just had a polio case in America!
     
  11. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    It's coming
     
  12. Brooklyn Bridge

    Brooklyn Bridge Well-Known Member

    Thank an anti-vaxxer near you.
     
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