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The Big Ragu · Aug 1, 2022

lakefront said: ↑

I don't think most think that it is illegal, just tacky.
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You are right.

I think I was responding to the word grifter.

It's not just a semantics thing to me. They are grifters. But for me a grift is trying to swindle / steal from people. This is not a grift. It's them being tacky. ... scheming. ... however you want to characterize it along those lines.

I also do think most people are like what you said, "How tacky." But the tenor of stuff I have seen has been entirely about them doing something wrong in trying to scheme to be a cemetery. I never see the outrage placed where it belongs on a tax code that creates the story (not the person who tries to exploit it).

Inky_Wretch · Aug 1, 2022

The Big Ragu said: ↑

They are grifters. ... dishonest.

But in this case? You can say it is unseemly and be like, "Really?"

But this is the tax code the state of NJ set up. They are actually doing nothing illegal if they get it all set up correctly and there is actually a cemetery there. It's not like the schemes to value buildings one way for tax purposes and then value them higher for insurance purposes. Or any of the countless illegal things they have done -- and continue to do -- to steal from others.

I sometimes feel so out of the mainstream, but when I saw these stories last week, my initial reaction wasn't so much anger at Trump or his kids, even if I laughed and thought, "They would have sold her eyeballs the minute the body was cold if they had a buyer." My reaction was more, "Why do we have a tax code that can be exploited that way in the first place?" The cemetery business can be very profitable and lucrative for someone. Why exactly do they get exempt from all income tax, property taxes, fees, etc. when some other guy who runs a business selling a different good or service might have to turn over 10.75 percent of his income to the state, plus pay the highest property taxes in the country? How much money changed hands to get those tax benefits? It's so patently unfair in not treating equal citizens equally.

I find Trump as ridiculous and unseemly as any of you do for this, but the only thing he's really guilty of (until he inevitably crosses a line) with this, is being willing to be ridiculous to look like he is exploiting the tax code. Isn't the tax code the problem?

Ill also say this up front. ... Most of Trump's signature businesses, including his golf courses, lose money hand over fist (he uses them to lower his taxes. ... a la that NY Times expose). So if that Bedminster club loses money, technically putting a cemetery there would not help on the income tax side; it would help on property taxes. At some point, none of us would be surprised to find that Trump was writing off losses on the golf club AND taking an illegal write off of some sort for the cemetery. If that turns out to be the case, it obviously takes it out of the realm of what I was saying above where he isn't technically doing anything illegal.
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The reason they often get exempted from taxes is because there are a lot of old, full ones that generate no income for the owner. So how are they to pay for the cemetery’s property taxes?

Azrael · Aug 1, 2022

seems legit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...23f63c-facb-11e6-bf01-d47f8cf9b643_story.html

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https://www.mycentraljersey.com/sto...etery-near-presidents-golf-course/1051203001/

Where Trump Wants to Be Buried

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The Big Ragu · Aug 1, 2022

Inky_Wretch said: ↑

The reason they often get exempted from taxes is because there are a lot of old, full ones that generate no income for the owner. So how are they to pay for the cemetery’s property taxes?
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That makes no sense. If you are generating no income. ... you owe no income tax. Your exemption would that nobody is taxed on income that they didn't earn.

Your second question: Cemeteries are exempt from property taxes in NJ, too. They slurped those legislators but good.

goalmouth · Aug 1, 2022

GQP legislatures prepping to dismantle democracy.

But Fat Orange Hitler's cemetery.

LOL

dixiehack · Aug 1, 2022

A-fucking-men to this. It’s devolved into a parody of a protection racket too weak to actually protect anyone.

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TigerVols · Aug 1, 2022

dixiehack said: ↑

A-fucking-men to this. It’s devolved into a parody of a protection racket too weak to actually protect anyone.

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I set up a tigervolsvoter@gmail account specifically for this.

Neutral Corner · Aug 1, 2022

kickoff-time said: ↑

This probably has been posted in the 3243 pages of this topic but why would people want to vote for Trump when they instantly know it will seriously divide the country again. There is no semblance of gray. It's either love or hate. You seriously want to go through that spin cycle again?
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You think that way, and I think that way, but there's around 30% of the country that would gleefully pull the "own the libs" lever.

Neutral Corner · Aug 1, 2022

Driftwood said: ↑

The thing about Ivana Trump's burial is it really had to come down to one or all of three older children signing off on it. I can't think of any reason Donnie would have a say-so in the burial of his first ex-wife. The kids allowed it to happen with their mother.
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Well this way they can visit her grave whenever they go suck up to DFG at his summer palace.

Songbird · Aug 1, 2022

The Big Ragu said: ↑

How much money changed hands to get those tax benefits?
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That's a story.

Neutral Corner · Aug 1, 2022

The Big Ragu said: ↑

They are grifters. ... dishonest.

But in this case? You can say it is unseemly and be like, "Really?"

But this is the tax code the state of NJ set up.
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It's not that it's illegal. It's that it is gross and unseemly. It's grotesque.

Like Donald Trump.

Neutral Corner · Aug 1, 2022

doctorquant said: ↑

That climate change package so many are excited about is, as I understand it, chock full of tax incentives. When companies avail themselves of those incentives so as to not "pay their fair share" of taxes, will we consider that exploitation of "LOOPHOLES!" to be grift?
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Oh, c'mon, Doc. That's really minimum effort, low quality trolling.

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