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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They didn't sell an aquifer to a foreign country.

    They have allowed a corporation (that is Saudi-based) to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater at little cost for years to grow stuff for feed of livestock in Saudi Arabia.

    Nobody thought much about it before the drought conditions and dwindling groundwater hit people's radar screens. And now, it gets turned into a plot of some sort, with an organized plunder going on and someone doing a specious connect-the-dots narrative to conclude that "Arizona is selling its water to a foreign government!"

    These were not geopolitical decisions. They were like lots of decisions that get made when you have a state government bureaucracy in charge of something. Was that corporation paying less for water per acreage than anyone else in the area?
     
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  2. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Hmmmm ...
     
  3. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

  4. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    If you live in Arizona and it never occurred to you until now that groundwater is a limited resource, you are too dumb to tie your own shoelaces.
     
  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I would assume the old saw "Whiskey's for drinkin' and water's for fightin' over" is as applicable in Arizona as it is in Texas.
     
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  6. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    There briefly were plans to sell Great Lakes water in the 1990s and early 2000s.

    Allowing water or access to the aquifer to be sold in Arizona is an even dumber idea.
     
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  7. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    As much as I'd love to be able to afford to live in SoCal, I'd never do it now. I'm not going to ever live west of Kansas City, precisely because of water.
     
  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Of course it wasn’t a permanent decrease in emissions. But here’s what it was, as I wrote on Aug. 14:

    As horrific as COVID was and is - let me repeat the line, lest I'm accused of downplaying that - the pandemic, according to NASA, "drastically decreased air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions within just a few weeks. That sudden change gave scientists an unprecedented view of results that would take regulations *years* to achieve."

    We've already had, in a sense, a notable climate change policy enacted. And it didn't change the *tone* on climate change one bit. So the tone is either overheated, or it is properly heated, and we're way, way short of what's needed to solve this.
     
  9. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    This makes no sense.

    That’s it, that’s the post. I literally cannot figure out the point you wish to express.
     
  10. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I don't get it, either. Everyone knew the emissions reduction would be extremely short-lived --- and frankly, most people had other things on their minds --- so I don't know why the "tone" would change.
     
  11. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    The point always has been why bother.

    China has high emissions, why should the US bother.
    Fixes will be expensive on the front end because we have to establish new infrastructure. Why bother.
    I’m one person. The guy next door may or may not make changes so why should I bother.
    The Cools are making a big deal of this. Why bother.
    The Cools are making this a religion. Why bother.

    Never mind the overwhelming scientific evidence or the droughts or more frequent intense storms or receding ice caps or changing ocean chemistry or any of it. Why bother.
     
  12. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Five 1,000-year rain events have struck the U.S. in five weeks. Why?
    Precipitation extremes are now more feast or famine because of climate change

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/08/23/flood-united-states-climate-explainer/


    "The extreme rainfall in Dallas was a “1,000-year rain event,” an episode of flooding that has just a 0.1 percent probability of happening in any given year. It joins the company of 1,000-year rain events that struck Kentucky, St. Louis, eastern Illinois and Death Valley, Calif., since the end of July — all of which were experiencing abnormally dry conditions or in a severe drought beforehand.

    Droughts can often make flooding worse. Droughts kill plants and leaves the ground bare, reducing soil absorption. They also harden top soils, which makes it easier for water to run off. The extremely dry ground, combined with the rapid rainfall, can trigger widespread flooding.

    While no single weather event is caused by mankind’s influence on the atmosphere, the weather facing the nation bears the fingerprint of a warming world. While it seems contradictory, both drought and flooding are closely tied to human-driven warming and are altering our environment and how we interact with it.

    We are witnessing firsthand the effects of ordinary weather events — a product of chaotic randomness and natural variability — supercharged by climate change."
     
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