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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    Meh
     
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  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Can someone who knows the law better explain this to me?

    So a grand jury subpoena's Mike Lindell's phone. ... The FBI shows up and serves the subpoena. Can the FBI legally seize the phone at that point the way they did (if you believe Lindell, a big if, I know)?

    Doesn't there have to be room in there for the person who was served the subpoena to challenge it --either claim that it is unreasonable or that the scope of it should be narrowed -- before they comply?

    Otherwise if it went down the way Lindell is saying, how isn't this a fourth amendment violation? The government basically came and grabbed his phone without a warrant / judge / any due process being involved?

    Something about the way he is saying it happened doesn't seem right to me.
     
  3. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    How long has this been going on?
    How long has this been going on?

    Well, your friends with their criminal persuasion
    Won't admit that it's part of a scheme
    But I can't help but have my suspicions
    'Cause their dumber than they seem
    And you said you was never intending
    To break up our country this way
    But there ain't any use in pretending
    You could be indicted any day

    How long has this been going on?
    How long has this been going on?
     
  4. Brooklyn Bridge

    Brooklyn Bridge Well-Known Member

    Maggie Hassan approves this message.
     
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  5. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

  6. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    The Denver FBI field office told The Daily Beast that it does not comment on individual cases but, “without commenting on this specific matter, I can confirm that the FBI was at that location executing a search warrant authorized by a federal judge.”

    The U.S. attorney’s office in Colorado, which issued the subpoena, declined to comment.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillows-mike-lindell-says-fbi-seized-his-cellphone-at-hardees
     
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  7. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Who knew pillow dork was Charlemagne in sweatpants?
     
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  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks. This is still really confusing me. That story is seemlessly talking about a grand jury subpoena and a warrant authorized by a Federal judge. It doesn't add up. Is there a grand jury investigation going on at the same time that prosecutors went before a judge, and there was a subpoena that has nothing to do with the warrant? Or is it one or the other? Or is it that a subpoena duces tecum somehow got accompanied by a search warrant, and if so, why and how does that work?
     
  9. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I believe that once a search warrant is signed by a judge, the recourse of the person whose property was seized is to ask for it back/that it not be used in a proceeding. For something like a cell phone, I believe that they image the device and give it back to the owner relatively quickly
     
  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    FBI had to obtain a search warrant from a judge who agreed with agency's contention the phone contained evidence of a possible crime.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What does that have to do with a grand jury subpoena for the phone?
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Thx. I understand that. ... a search warrant and they can grab whatever it covers. But did the judge sign the warrant independently of a supposed grand jury subpoena, or is it related? That is what is confusing me. Because if it is related to a grand jury subpoena, don't you get a chance first to challenge the subpoena as unreasonable?
     
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