Ukraine Always Get What You Want

I think we probably did, at the strategic level. But we’re probably learning a ton more about their actual depth. They still have some pretty scary toys, but likely not as many as we thought.

I’ve sat in on a few briefs that highlighted some of their logistical challenges, but I’m a bit surprised it’s THIS bad.

 

Maybe we’ve never heard of the amazing things our intelligence services have done or prevented. But the oil embargos, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the fall of the USSR, 9/11, Iraq invading Kuwait are just of the big picture items that they failed upon.

 

Fall off the Berlin Wall was an intelligence failure? That wasn’t exactly planned and happened because a bureaucrat fucked up the messaging and the Soviet police didn’t stop. How the hell could anyone have seen that coming?

How was the fall of the USSR our failure? Were we supposed to stop it?

Oil embargo was the result of helping Israel. We’re we not supposed to?

And how were we going to stop Iraq invading Kuwait? Considering how efficiently we got them out and how we rallied other countries to our side, I don’t see the failure.

9/11 is the only one that was a failure.

 

I appreciate your more specific response, and I agree about this thread. But I can't stand responses that assume we all have read every single post ever put up by somebody on this board. I meant it when I said I've missed why people seem to always be picking on BTExpress for no immediately apparent reason, so I don't appreciate an oblique "you like to defend good people," which is really intended as an insult instead of an answer. I guess that poster will have to wait until sometime when I stick up for them, too. Because I will do it, no matter who it is, if it seems called for.

People are never going to post/say what others want or would like all of the time, with every post, and it seems as if that should be allowed for. It'd be a really boring, pointless board if we all did do that.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/24/ukraine-putin-referendums/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/26/ukraine-west-right-wing-fatigue-italy/

But even as Russia’s international standing takes further hits, Ukraine may have reason to worry about shifting winds in the West’s democracies. Analysts have long fretted over the West’s stamina in the defense of Ukraine, aware of mounting concerns over surging energy prices and old suspicions of the liberal establishment in Brussels and Washington. That resolve has largely endured as we enter the eighth month of the conflict. But polls show flagging interest among some voters for supporting Ukraine, not least as economic challenges build up closer to home.

 

Jake Sullivan: US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

“We have communicated directly, privately and at very high levels to the Kremlin that any use of nuclear weapons will be met with catastrophic consequences for Russia, that the US and our allies will respond decisively, and we have been clear and specific about what that will entail,” Sullivan told CBS’s Face The Nation.

 

Russia: man shoots commander drafting residents for war in Ukraine

 

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