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Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by outofplace, May 3, 2022.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I have no problem with a state-funded institution not being in the business of giving away condoms OR any form of birth control. Taxpayers fund these places as higher learning institutions, not to subsidize the rest of the students' lives, and the fact that a good chunk of people oppose their money being used that way should be all it takes for it to just stop.

    What I did have a problem with from that story is the notion that staff shouldn't verbally recommend abortions to students. Especially the fact that it could lead to a felony charge.

    I agree with both of you that most people shouldn't be having that conversation with a student, but at the end of the day if someone does choose to have the conversation, it is purely a speech issue. And free expression shouldn't be being repressed, especially at a university. It's incumbent on the students to figure out who they want to (or not want to) be taking that kind of advise from. But the suggestion that anyone could be subject to a felony conviction for simply saying something to someone else is the part that chilled me.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2022
    #2005
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  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Where've you been, man? In loco gynecologicus has been the lay of the land college-wise for decades!
     
    doctorquant, Sep 28, 2022
    #2006
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    I understand this viewpoint but I would stress, those who object to this birth control giveaways, does the University take any action towards advancing your POV? The whole point of higher education is not to advocate for only one POV but to expose the students to many POVs and let them decide. Yes the communist club gets to use the meeting rooms, but so does the Young Republicans and the Young Democrats on campus.
     
    qtlaw, Sep 28, 2022
    #2007
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Conservatives such as these are not interested in limiting unplanned pregnancies. In cases such as this, they are trying to force people into having less sex. Anybody with a shred of sense knows that won't work, but who said the people pushing this legislation are making sense?
     
    outofplace, Sep 28, 2022
    #2008
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  5. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    They also desperately want more white babies because the impression is that too many white women are using contraceptives or family planning -- the whole reason why those damned minorities are taking over the country by 2050.
     
    maumann, Sep 28, 2022
    #2009
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  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You just made me think about something I probably hadn't thought of in 30+ years. When I was an undergrad there was a national magazine that used to distribute for free at student unions at universities. This was in the late 80s. There was always a stack of magazines sitting in the lobby of one of the student centers where there was a dining hall, and in one issue an advertiser glued a free condom to the inside cover. A guy I knew was unreasonably incensed about it, like "Who would use a condom they found in a magazine sitting in a public place?" We had a stupid conversation about it, we all left. ... and I found out he later went back there with a pin and poked holes right through all the wrappers, front to back. Me today thinks it was pretty shitty. At the time, I am sure I laughed.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2022
    #2010
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Which health and medical services can a state school routinely offer? Which can it not?

    Which can it teach? Which can it not?

    What about the hospital affiliated with the land grant college?

    University Health Services | Penn State Student Affairs

    University Health Services - Oklahoma State University

    Health Services | Michigan State University

    Student Health Services

    and so on and so on and so on. Where's the line?

    Plenty of routine gynecological medicine necessary for women of child-bearing age - which is going to include most women on campus. Do we ban that?

    I agree about the free speech issue.

    But I've been assured again and again by the mainstream press and Bari Weiss speech is only being curtailed by the political left.
     
    Azrael, Sep 28, 2022
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  8. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Doesn't that particular stance open a whole other can of worms? Why is taxpayer money being used to fund student social clubs or intramurals or movie nights or even athletics?
     
    Inky_Wretch, Sep 28, 2022
    #2012
  9. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    Ragu's Libertarian IIRC, so I think he's happy to have that debate with you... :)
     
    sgreenwell, Sep 28, 2022
    #2013
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Not something I am that up on. But:
    1) With regard to student clubs and intramurals and publications and student government, don't nearly all public schools charge an activities fee to fund those things?
    2) In the case of athletics, I'd personally agree that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to fund any of it.
    That said:
    a) a major difference is that State U's athletic teams aren't a source of major disagreement, where there are a lot of people who object to having to fund it, the way there is with contraception, and, b) I think a lot of people might argue that the athletics are more core to a university and its mission than handing out birth control pills is. I know that is inexact, but I suspect I am right about how most people look at the state universities.

    We are talking about a forced transfer payment where a state government is forcing a group of people to subsidize another group of people. It's bad enough that we do this to the degree we now do in this country, but what I was getting at originally is that when the transfer payment is funding something that such a large group of people object to, they should just stop.
     
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    The Big Ragu, Sep 28, 2022
    #2014
  11. Roscablo

    Roscablo Well-Known Member

    Most universities are not giving away birth control, outside of condoms. Most birth control, in fact, still needs a prescription. The University of Idaho situation in part impacts their health center, which is a clinic like any you or I go to. Real doctors and everything. It is the only place many of these students have to go get their health care. That includes women's health care. I mean, when I was a student I had a terrible ear infection and went to my student health clinic. I don't know where else I would have gone at the time. Should we take away services like that? Costs may be reduced, but in most cases they are using their insurance, just like they would at any doctor's office.
     
    Roscablo, Sep 28, 2022
    #2015
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Activities fees don't cover all of it at most universities.

    So if a large group of people object to a university teaching women's studies or minority studies or accounting, they should stop doing so due to the use of taxpayer money?

    (And do we know if the university bought the condoms or if they were provided by an NGO? Would it matter?)
     
    Inky_Wretch, Sep 28, 2022
    #2016
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