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Michael Kruse on Maggie Haberman

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo, Oct 1, 2022.

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  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member



    “A lot of people thought this was an act,” Haberman told me. “It was not an act.”

    She knew because she knew him.



    C'mon.

    Anyone with a brain wave knew.
     
    Azrael, Oct 3, 2022
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  2. Liut

    Liut Well-Known Member

    Saw a segment on Haberman and her book yesterday on CBS Sunday Morning.

    Pretty sure that program's audience contains a lot of people who purchase books. Good for her, I guess.
     
    Liut, Oct 3, 2022
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  3. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Having edited him, Feinstein comes to mind.

    Haberman's approach is questionable, but there are plenty of staff at the NYT who have inherited Judith Miller's kneepads.
     
    goalmouth, Oct 3, 2022
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  4. SixToe

    SixToe Well-Known Member

    We occasionally watch it and call it Old People TV. The demographic probably has the right age for buying books, coins, decorative plates and stair chair-lifts.

    "Good morning, I'm Jane Pauley. I'm 113 years old."
     
    SixToe, Oct 3, 2022
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  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    The hate is performative.
     
    Alma, Oct 3, 2022
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  6. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    One time the Free Press got a Mitch column and it must have been right on the first edition deadline
    The space looked like it was expanded to fit everything in and the typos were voluminous
     
    Jake from State Farm, Oct 3, 2022
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  7. Octave

    Octave Well-Known Member

    goalmouth-

    She writes a lot like Trump does. 'Monochromatic,' as one of the members here once said about somebody else.
    The only flash is the fingernail dirt she reveals.
     
    Octave, Oct 3, 2022
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  8. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    What do you think it's based on? Anyone who doesn't hate Trump has to be hated? I think in our corner of the world, the contempt is based on the very valid perception that she's a stenographer (and it's easy enough to say she makes him look bad when she's jotting down the thoughts of an idiot lunatic). She sure as hell didn't help herself by posing with him. I wouldn't have done that for all the money in the world.
     
    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo, Oct 3, 2022
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  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Is it?

    Or is at least some of it grounded in Haberman's uncritical willingness to elevate into the NYT whatever risible, fictional, single-source defense-of-Trump statement comes from Trump's team?

    You get the 500 bylines a year not because you're "trusted," or even hard working, but because you're credulous.

    Like Schefter or Verducci, you get the "scoops" because you've got the megaphone, and don't question too sharply what you're told.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2022
    Azrael, Oct 4, 2022
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  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Speaking of which, this profile is pretty credulous likewise, and asks no hard questions.

    It's biography stretched very thin, with a single meeting in Coney Island serving as the framework and central metaphor.

    She doesn't know which way she's going!

    Again, eh.
     
    Azrael, Oct 4, 2022
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I'd say it is enough to be the stenographer with Trump.

    Someone said that they don't get the hate for Haberman, because most of what she writes doesn't paint him in a flattering light.

    I think that may be where the disconnect is on this.

    By being a stenographer. ... Trump hangs himself. And that is the value of Maggie Haberman. His lies and bs are so over the top, and it all unravels anyhow. She's the one who puts him on the record.

    Where some partisans have gone wrong with Trump is thinking that fact checking obvious bullshit makes much of a difference. Trump uses those people, by bogging them down with various rabbit holes he directs them to, and he moves stories away from his dishonesty with it. People know what is bullshit without 20 sources and endless confirmations, and a certain percentage don't care or will ignore BS. Fact checking or reporting BS to death is not going to change them.

    In the case of Haberman, to the extent that she has been a stenographer, I actually think it is OK. She gets him on the record. ... and then over and over again, we find out that he lied, made things up or bullshitted. Which is why he doesn't come off looking good. The facts speak for themselves. Nobody needs Maggie Haberman to tell them who or what Donald Trump is. But the fact that she has gotten herself into the room is valuable. If she wasn't the one who Trump thought he could manipulate, she wouldn't be in the room -- and worse it might just be Sean Hannity types. Honestly, I think she has played him because of that, because by acting as a sponge and taking what he gives her, she is one of the outlets by which he hangs himself.

    In the case of the excerpts from the book, all of the juicy things seem to have come from people who were in the room and talked to her off the record, so it's not as if she is just acting as a stenographer anyhow on the stuff we're talking about.
     
    The Big Ragu, Oct 4, 2022
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  12. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Like I said.
     
    Regan MacNeil, Oct 4, 2022
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