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MLB 2022: The Long and Winding Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Starman, Mar 18, 2022.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I think Rob Thomson deserves it. I am shocked by that team being in the playoffs given where they were when Girardi was fired.

    I also think that Showalter is going to get it, and it isn't going to be close.
     
  2. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Rogers Hornsby played second base. Never saw him but I heard he could hit a bit. So did HOFs Tony Lazzeri, Bobby Doerr and Joe Gordon. Charlie Gehringer. Lots of examples of offensive 2B. Shortstop was less so.
     
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  3. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Arky Vaughan. Luke Appling. Some guy named Ernie Banks. Joe Cronin. Lou Boudreau. Vern Stephens. Jim Fregosi. Rico Petrocelli.

    It wasn't really until the 1960s and 1970s that teams emphasized defense over offense at that position. Then Ripken revolutionized the position. (Robin Yount and Trammell were no slouches.)
     
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  4. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    There are few second basemen in the Hall compared to other positions.
     
  5. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    The stunning thing is how few third basemen have been elected. (Catchers as well.)

    Hall of Famers | Baseball Hall of Fame

    The Hall of Fame is comprised of 340 elected members. Included are 268 former major league players, as well as 40 executives/pioneers, 22 managers and 10 umpires. The Baseball Writers’ Association of America has elected 135 candidates to the Hall while the Committees on managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players (in all of its forms) has chosen 179 deserving candidates. The defunct “Committee on Negro Baseball Leagues” selected nine men between 1971-77 and the Special Committee on Negro Leagues in 2006, elected 17 Negro Leaguers. There are currently 75 living members. By position, there are: 84 pitchers, 19 catchers, 25 first basemen, 20 second basemen, 17 third basemen, 26 shortstops, 23 left fielders, 24 center fielders, 27 right fielders, 3 designated hitters, 22 managers, 10 umpires and 40 executives/pioneers. In 2020, players who appeared in seven specific Negro Leagues between 1920 and 1948 were designated with major league status.
     
  6. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Guess I should have specified that in the 1970s and 80s, for basically an entire generation, there was more of an emphasis on defense vs. offense at those positions and the guys like Cal Ripken or Ryne Sandberg who could regularly hit 25 home runs a season were unicorns.
    Maybe it's just perception. When I think of the great shortstops of that era, I think of relatively light hitters like Ozzie Smith, Dave Concepcion and Larry Bowa. They had some decent average seasons but never struck fear in anyone as power threats. It wasn't until that 1990s/early 2000s generation of shortstops with A-Rod, Jeter, Nomar and Miguel Tejada that it started to feel like it could be a power position.
     
  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Showalter was handed a hugely talented team ready to win now, but it looks for all the world that they're going the way of Buck's D-backs and Yanks before them.
     
  8. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Showalter is the guy to get you from Point A to Point B. You need a new, better guy to get to Point C.
     
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  9. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Darn good thing the Mets have big arms at the front of the rotation.

    Because that eight-man lineup is one faceless bunch for a playoff team after Alonso and McNeil.
     
  10. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Every day they thank their lucky stars they won a title


     
  11. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Phillies went from 82 to 87 wins, entering today
    Mets went from 77 wins to 98 wins, entering today

    DeGrom and Scherzer combined to make 34 starts is the counter in dealing with injuries
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Your second point is well taken. Back before Opening Day, however, the Mets were widely expected to be good, and the Phillies were not.
     
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