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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

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  1. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    To be MAGA is to be unfit


     
    garrow, Oct 18, 2022
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  2. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    goalmouth, Oct 18, 2022
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  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Social Security and Medicare cuts coming. Obviously, it’s the liberal woke transgender groomers who are to blame for that.

     
    Inky_Wretch, Oct 18, 2022
    #45639
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Biden can, under the 14th amendment, simply announce that he will tolerate no interference with the issuance of US debt and continue business as usual, so to hell with the GOP House. And if the Supreme Court rules against him, to hell with them too. Trump and before him Clinton proved that there is no, zero, zip, nada political price to be paid for enduring an impeachment that ends with acquital.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Oct 18, 2022
    #45640
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry, but that is nonsensical. The 14th amendment has nothing to do with this.

    Congress has the power of the purse under our system of government, even when it is Kevin McCarthy as the House leader and you disagree with him. And the president doesn't unilaterally get to decide what he'll tolerate with regard to spending or debt issuance. He's not the king.
     
    The Big Ragu, Oct 18, 2022
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  6. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Village Idiot.

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    maumann, Oct 18, 2022
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

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    The Big Ragu, Oct 18, 2022
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  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    If you're an Arizona resident and dog owner, keep your pets inside today.
     
    HanSenSE, Oct 18, 2022
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  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I'm told that the bolded phrase in this snippet from the 14th ...

    "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, ..."

    ... has been rendered moot under the "living Constitution" doctrine.
     
    doctorquant, Oct 18, 2022
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  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including the (several clauses here about debts incurred in the Civil War) shall not be questioned." Is the debt ceiling an "authorization by law" or is the overall legality of public debt the "authorization by law." Opinions may differ.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Oct 18, 2022
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The 14th amendment was ratitified to keep states from depriving blacks rights in the wake of the civil war. The public debt clause was put in there to keep Congress from repudiating debts that had been incurred by the Union states.

    This is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of historical fact. "Opinion" = what level of bullshit some people are willing to create to try to turn the constitution into whatever is politically expedient for them at any moment in time. That clause barred Congress from repudiating debt it had already incurred. It was not an authorizatoin for the president to incur more debt whenever he wants. That is a power vested in Congress under our system of governance.
     
    The Big Ragu, Oct 18, 2022
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  12. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member



    Of course, it's from a pro-Trump group.
     
    HanSenSE, Oct 18, 2022
    #45648
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