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MLB 2022: The Long and Winding Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Starman, Mar 18, 2022.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It has nothing to do with small market vs. large market. That manifests itself in payrolls, ability to resign players, get free agents, etc.

    Mike Chernoff is constrained as a GM in that he can't spend what a large market team does. But he's still trying to win with what he can put into his payroll. And it's more of a feather in his cap if he actually can defy all odds and win with a $65 million total payroll. For obvious reasons.

    He was a game away from the league championship series. His chance to pull off a miracle and get to a world series with that team was NOW. This is why teams sometimes mortgage their futures at the trade deadline. You go for it in the moment, because more likely than not the chance is not going to be there in the future. Especially when you are a small market team that can't spend and relies on lightning in a bottle in any given year.

    I would bet with near certainty that if you told Chernoff he had to lose Shane Bieber for nothing after the season is over (and this wasn't his dilemma; they could have pitched Bieber AND still potentially trade him), but the tradeoff would have been a win against the Yankees to get them within one series of the World Series, he would have taken that 100 times out of 100. Sure, take Bieber, but put us 4 games away from the world series. The goal isn't to shave salary. That is the concession that is forced on a team like Cleveland.

    The goal is to win, and you are nuts if you think that in a winner-take-all game with a trip to the ALCS on the line they sat a guy for some nonsense that makes no sense anyhow.
     
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  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    With the Braves and Dodgers out early, and the Halos again 1-2-3 Cancun'ed by July, I really don't care so I find myself rooting for the Yankees...they're historically due, might as well be this year.
     
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    With the NLCS in chaos (I'm probably ignorant of how good the Phils and Pads are right now), I think the AL finally gets to win a WS (not since 2018 I think.)
     
  4. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    *taps mic* Every team in MLB could have a $200 million or more payroll. Many CHOOSE not to. Every owner is a billionaire. Every motherfucking last one of them.

    It's so exhausting every time the CBA is up when the owners cry poor. Yet never open the books. Complete and total bullshit.
     
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  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    What does the owner’s personal wealth have to do with whether or not the business is profitable before depreciation? If the owners have to borrow against the equity of the business to fund payroll, the business is not sustainable. Relegation on attendance rather than wining percentage would be good for the business of baseball.
     
  6. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    I can’t believe people still spout his nonsense about tickets. It happens in every market in every league.
     
  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Hershiser would've been on the mound.
     
  8. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    This sums it all up pretty well. Why would Francona ride Clase and Karinchak for career-long outings within a four-day span but not go to Bieber to start the must-win game in which he already planned to ride Karinchak (and Clase, if the Guardians were tied or leading late) as long as possible? They can rest in the off-season, unless they need to rest now.
     
  9. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Not defending owners in any way, but when your top-30 employees average about $4-5 million a year in salary, don't you have to be a billionaire to be one?
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You need to be a billionaire to own a team because the franchises cost in the billions of dollars to purchase. It's that simple. You ain't getting your hands on a team unless you have an obscene amount of money to pay to someone who is selling one.

    The personal wealth of the owners has nothing to do with the operating income of the teams as businesses. The players earn nice salaries, but the teams derive revenue over the course of a season that can cover those salaries. And on a net operating income basis, it leaves a profit for most of the teams.

    The franchise values aren't as high as they are because of the actual income the teams earn, though, which is in the tens of millions of dollars a year for the typical team. The teams are worth so much because of scarcity. There are a limited number of teams, one only becomes available for purchase every so often, and there are way more people with money who want to own a team for vanity reasons than there are teams. So team values have gotten bid up into the billions of dollars. One becomes available and there are competing swinging d&^ks eager to wrangle it.
     
  11. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Exactly. So I never understand why "billionaire owner" is used as a pejorative term, since you essentially have to be one to be the other.
     
  12. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    It's a pejorative because they're crying with a loaf of bread under their arms (some of them). The mistake (some) owners make is treating a team like a traditional business. It's not like any other business in existence and should be treated as such.
     
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