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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Corky Ramirez up on 94th St.

    Corky Ramirez up on 94th St. Well-Known Member

    My father-in-law was a sonar technician on submarines when he was in the Navy from 1974-83, and said there are some things that he still can't talk about because they're classified, and most likely will never be able to.
     
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  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Did he tell them to call MAGA-Lago?
     
  3. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Legally (and morally), I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons onboard any ship which I served.
     
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  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    As I understand it, that's getting to be a pretty big concern as lots of much-older vets (and similar) begin to age into dementia.
     
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  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Our whole classification system is a complete joke when the classifications in the first place are completely subjective (and arbitrary in practice), the volume of things that are hidden from the voting public has exploded over the decades because bureuacries thrive by working in secret, and to the extent anything arguably really should be kept hidden for a national security rationale, it's not exactly secure when the number of people with clearances numbers in the millions.
     
  7. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Dad has always taken pride in the fact that he’s held onto whatever secrets the Air Force of the mid-70s wanted to keep, but this very well could become an issue for us. He’s 66 and there’s too much family history for him to outrun in this department I’m afraid.
     
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  8. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    I would quibble with a few points:

    1. It's got absolutely nothing to do with bureaucracy wanting to work in secret. Classification is a hindrance to productivity.
    2. It's got everything to do with the bureaucracy (and its piece parts) not wanting to be personally responsible for the mis-handling (spillage, inappropriate downgrades, etc.) when they're the ones who have to sign off on the, "this is not classified" release. No one wants to put their name on that declaration.
    3. The number of clearances being in the millions has no effect on the security of an individual piece of controlled information. Just because you have a clearance doesn't mean you can access any piece of controlled information. You need a clearance AND a need to know.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Max Weber:

     
  10. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Conducting meetings in secret and disclosing capes and lims to foreign actors are for sure the same thing.
     
  11. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    My mother in law used to have clearance (she’s now retired). That clearance allowed her to get into the building where she worked and to make travel arrangements for the guy she worked for. She never handled classified material.

    My brother in law has clearance because he works maintaining and running tests on a system for the Navy. He only handles things related to the development and maintenance of that system. He can’t use it to look at missile schematics.

    There’s clearance (which even I had at one point so I could get on a base and into one building) and there’s clearance. Many have the former; fewer have the later.
     
  12. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    "Need to know" is the other key part of a clearance. You need to have a legitimate purpose accessing the data you're accessing, regardless of your clearance level.
     
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