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Are we allowed to talk about Bitcoin?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Dec 18, 2013.

  1. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    I recall, for instance, that the CueCat idea in the early 2000s was absolutely and completely the dumbest-ass idea I had ever heard. (Disclosure: I worked at the newspaper that invested $40-some million in it.) Now, the QR code is ubiquitous in other parts of the world, and is finally catching on here. In 2000, it was a half-baked idea, but only because the rest of the baking hadn’t been done. It was the right idea with the wrong tools and the wrong application.
     
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  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Exactly.

    This is where I think Mark Zuckerberg is screwing the pooch right now.

    Facebook went from a rapidly growing thing into a mature business (as it existed) without that same growth potential anymore. The growth is what gave the company a steep valuation, though. Once you mature, you can become a cash cow, and if you can keep the business stable, it can be a boring company that throws off dividends for eternity. Think. ... the AT&T your grandparents owned a few shares of.

    Faced with that, Zuckerberg has decided that he is going to take all of those earnings and invest in keeping the company growing. ... which can be a fine thing if you have a good handle on how to invest and a plan for it leading to almost certain growth quickly. But what he is doing is saying, "We are going to create the Metaverse." Which may be decades away. And he is spending billions of dollars on it, on the assumption that he knows what the standards and protocols will be, how exactly the Metaverse will take shape, and what demand there will be for it.

    Not even Steve Jobs was close to being that good, where he could just predict a long-off future and create things in advance that people would demand.

    I think he has forgotten. ... the thing that made him successful, Facebook, was not just something that was created that way. It was more that he stumbled onto something that people liked.

    It's very difficult to predict a future the way he is and invest in the right things.
     
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  3. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Same thing with TotalSports. Nando.net was on the cutting edge of technology, and the pitch by pitch graphics on MLB.com games you see today is basically the same data stream used by TotalCast 25 years ago. Not only did TotalSports hold the exclusive rights to NCAA.com and Golf.com, but at least 50 university websites, the L.A. Times and the Wall Street Journal, plus a partnership with NBC Sports.

    The only true competition then was SportsLine, which had backing from CBS. ESPN and FOX were late to the party but trying to catch up.

    I had just come from the Rocky Mount Telegram, where Thomson was squeezing every last penny like a Scotsman. To go somewhere where they were flying college kids first class to NCAA regionals was jaw-dropping. Of course, a $5 million per month burn rate eventually caught up with them.

    Had management played the long game instead of banking the whole endeavor on an IPO, I think TotalSports would have survived because of the value of its properties. But it was a heady time and we were all certain the money would continue to roll in, even though nobody knew how to monetize TotalCast through ads.

    You couldn't replicate that now, just because the Internet is saturated and fragmented. But having the only property on an empty street back then was a huge advantage when people discovered the potential, just like owning an orange grove in Anaheim when Walt Disney was looking to create his own Fantasyland.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, once you get me going on these kinds of conversations, they can sprawl. But I think you are right about there being a temptation to grow too quickly. The biggest enabler of the kinds of mistakes you are talking about has been a really mispriced interest rate environment that made it really cheap to borrow a ton of money and forced investors to take on that risk, which in turn makes the lending standards poor. In that environment, a lot of potentially viable ideas catch a lot of equity and / or debt financing, and they get drunk on the money. Like it is burning a hole in their pocket. And a lot of them burn through an insane amount of cash and then crash and burn. ... even if their business idea was actually viable if done via more organic growth.

    When interest rates aren't being manipulated that way, you get much less of the malinvestment I am talking about. To grow a business, you have to do it organically. You essentially create something and if people like it, they will buy what you are selling. You use that to profit, and then take your profits and reinvest them in the company to try to grow and keep feeding demand. It forces yourself to keep proving your concept along the way. You grow with money that you actually earned (which makes people act more prudently). And it makes for more sustainable businesses. Unfortunately, the world has moved away from that kind of normalcy.
     
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  5. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    So, how do you work within redefined normalcy? If the old rules of finance that were drilled into your head have changed, how do you make the new rules work to your advantage?
     
  6. Sea Bass

    Sea Bass Well-Known Member

    It’s not great but the Plan has about a quarter trillion in assets, so this exposure was about four one-hundredths of one per cent.
     
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    When pension funds-- which have historically been able to meet their obligations with relatively safe, fixed-income assets (a monkey could run a pension fund) -- are making speculative investments like this was, it is indicative of how much the zero-interest rate environment has created distortions. You never find out about the rot until you get a rising interest rate environment (usually because they unleash consumer inflation and feel forced to tighten economic conditions in a hamhanded way).

    This is a fund that in a free market environment, would have had the bulk of its assets tucked safely in high-quality corporate bonds, government of Canada bonds and T-bills. Instead, it has a portfolio stuffed with real estate, publicly-traded stocks (which carry risk) and equity in very speculative private companies and partnerships like FTX. It's because they were forced to move farther and farther along the risk spectrum to try to earn a return that could meet their obligations.

    It's all fine as long as an everything bubble is being blown. The risk they've been forced to take on is masked (until the fantasy ends) by everyone being a genius, because asset prices are being driven higher by a wave of liquidity that is being unleashed.

    This is what more than a decade of mispriced debt markets creates; they have robbed savers (pension funds and insurance companies, retirees, etc.) in the name of managing the economy and creating a mirage of economic growth that included a lot if debt-fueled malinvestment. Now that we have a rising rate environment for the first time in forever -- and with how bad inflation is, real rates are still negative, so the bubbles are still being propped up artficially -- we are seeing a few cracks. My question is, what other highly speculative and risky things that can't afford a higher rate environment are sitting in pension-fund portfolios waiting to create a hole? We will find out if they lose control and the bond vigilantes can ever wrestle away control of the rates markets from them again.

    The misguided policies that have created this environment were designed to steal growth from the future to fund sugar highs. When you get in as deep as they have, and the mountains of debt they have spurred crumble under the weight of the malinvestment it created, we all suffer. And that suffering has serious potential to drag on for a long time.

    Healthy, sustainable growth is driven by real demand, and the engine for the investment in a healthy economy is savings (things like pension funds). There isn't a short cut. We destroyed all incentive to save (therefore we are not getting smart investment) by allowing the debt markets to be price fixed by some appointed czars who rationalize the distortions they create as "managing" the economy. When their real purpose is to monetize debt (which benefits politicians who are focused just on the short-term benefit to themselves).

    The cost of money (interest rates) is the most important price there is in a market economy. When you intervene -- by price fixing short-term rates, buying trillions of dollars of bonds with money you create out of thin air, to drive up prices and drive down yields, etc. -- you destroy the signals the market gives participants, and you make it impossible to calibrate risk. It's how you end up with a teacher pension fund taking equity in something like FTX.
     
  8. Sea Bass

    Sea Bass Well-Known Member

    Ok.
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    This is beyond great. It turns out that for the last six months, Sam Bankman-Fried, the guy behind FTX who's now both on his way to total poverty and probably federal prison, has been accompanied by author Michael Lewis as the subject of Lewis' next book. This became known because Lewis' agency CAA sent out pitches for the movie rights to said book this week, even though Lewis has to write it, and I bet what he has written so far is being rewritten.
     
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  10. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Was he pitching a hagiography or a crypto-revolutionary movie?
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    No, Lewis just picks things that interest him, primarily in the mode of folks betting against the conventional house wisdom. Also probably this guy was so delusional as to welcome him and I bet many crypto biggies were less eager to have a professional observer as a witness hanging around.
     
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