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The Soccer Thread (Version 13) — Winter World Cup Edition

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Webster, Aug 5, 2022.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member



     
  2. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I think the "for large sections of America" is an important qualifier
     
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  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    That's why I included the link to all those professional teams.

    There are men's or women's professional soccer teams almost everywhere.

    So I think it's facile, and not particularly correct, to argue that "large sections of America" don't care about soccer.

    Seems to me the disconnect is between our national affection for soccer, which is pretty healthy, and the performance of our national team, which has improved very little in the last 50 years.
     
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  4. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    Except many of the clubs you cited are lower tier of a sport that doesn't draw that much attention. So the "for large sections of America" still seems appropriate.
     
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  5. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    We have a pro soccer club 12 miles from here. Only hardcore soccer fans know it still exists, because the local newspaper doesn't provide any coverage anymore.
     
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  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    Presumably there's enough interest in these lower tier teams that owners invest in them, and they continue to exist.

    Again, if you want to argue that soccer in America isn't as popular as the NFL, have at it. I agree.

    But soccer can't be dismissed as a punchline, either.

    The same tired arguments about the popularity of the game no longer apply.
     
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  7. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Coupled in the wagering with "It was a 0-0 game. It's boring. I don't get why it's so popular" column, mostly old school writers who are slowly dying off or being bought out.
     
  8. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Check the Twitterverse. That argument is trotted out 17 times a minute.

    A close cousin: "I got to the baseball game in the seventh inning, and there was no score. So I didn't miss anything."
     
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  9. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    I'm a ref for ayso. I played in high school.
    Neither me, nor the announcers know why that goal for Brazil was nullified for offsides.

    Their rules official threw out a word salad while not showing the offending offsides on replay. So we still don't know why.
     
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  10. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Made up for it.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    NFL, NBA, MLB, even NHL franchise values are in the billions of dollars. MLS teams are in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

    MLS revenue is only a quarter of the NHL's revenue, and the NHL is the weak sister of the big four. The typical MLS team has revenue that would qualify it as a small business by the SBA's definition.

    Sports franchises are not huge money makers, but with a few exceptions NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL teams earn money (there are a handful of NHL teams that notoriously don't). It's my understanding that there are only 1 or 2 MLS teams that are profitable, with the majority of the teams losing millions of dollars a year and requiring capital calls from ownership each year in order to keep operating.

    Pro sports franchises are vanity purchases for rich people wanting a toy. They confer status, because there are a limited number of them available (which is what keeps the franchise values high, even though they aren't businesses that earn a lot; the owners didn't buy for that reason). My guess is that the MLS serves a kind of rich person who is rich, but not nearly rich enough to even dream about owning an MLB or NFL team.

    EDIT: After I typed this. ... realized I am wrong about many of the MLS owners. Stan Kroenke, Arthur Blank, Bob Kraft, the Wilfs, Meg Whitman. ... are some of the team owners. There are a bunch of other billionaires on the list.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2022
  12. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I am not dismissing it as a punchline. I love soccer and would rather watch it than college football. But I realize I'm in the minority especially when compared to Americans in the midwest and certain Southern States. And you are naive to think much of this country doesn't think it's not a big deal. I would love soccer to get popular. I'm also a realist when you consider our best athletes go into one of two sports.
     
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