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Alec Baldwin shoots and kills cinematographer on set of Rust

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Songbird, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Well, they are past the grand jury phase if they've filed.

    Curious about the armorer, if the producers went "cheap" (Baldwin is listed as a producer) and if protocols for actors and armorers were followed.
     
  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    It’s been long ago proven they started out cheap and went even cheaper as the production wore on. It was a notorious production among NM crew types before the shooting.
     
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Charge = "DA believes that there was probable cause that a crime was committed"

    this is in lieu of Grand Jury Indictment = "We find that there is probable cause that a crime was committed"

    next step, Baldwin can request:

    Preliminary Hearing = Judge finds after hearing evidence in open court that "there is probable cause that a crime was committed"

    Accident that results in a death does not equal involuntary manslaughter; that requires something more, gross negligence, e.g. driving while impaired with prescription drugs or shooting a gun while untrained.

    Here, I've got to believe that there are strong indications that the conditions on the set were known to be extremely lax or that Baldwin was told about concerns and he and/or others simply chose to ignore them.
     
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  4. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    Don't mess with her, hombre. She talks tough!

    “On my watch, no one is above the law, and everyone deserves justice.”

    Well alrighty then.

     
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  5. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    In virtually every hunting accident someone willfully fires a gun they know to be loaded. Yet I don't think many of the shooters in those cases get indicted. I am sure Baldwin did not realize the gun was loaded. There have been lots of movies made on the cheap where guns were used and no actual bullets were fired. There was some one hired on the set to check these things. It does not take a genius to do that job.
     
  6. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    When I gave the gun example I wasn't talking about this situation, I meant where some person just randomly buys a pistol, loads it, and then aims it and shoots without any training and without taking into consideration that he/she's on a street or that people are nearby. Sheer stupidity, not this situation where assuming everything was done reasonably and there was a purpose to shooting the gun, making a movie. For example, the Brandon Lee death I don't think was found to be criminal, it was an unfortunate accident.
     
  7. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Sounds like Alec .... better call Saul.
     
  8. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  9. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

  10. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    The analysis I heard today is that this is actually really good for his case. The prosecution argued that the mishandling of a the weapon by an actor should be expected, and the armorer was most responsible for inspections.
     
  11. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    I've not paid too close attention to this case. From a simple perspective, it seems unreasonable to charge an actor who certainly wasn't expecting to be given a gun with live ammo.

    I guess there's a case if they're going after him as a producer for hiring bad people?
     
  12. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    Why is live ammo even anywhere near that set?
     
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