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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

  2. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    This is more a question about the companies than the economy.
    Google is laying off 12,000. Microsoft is laying off 10,000. Facebook is laying off 11,000.
    How many people do these companies employ, and what the heck do those people do?

    Amazon says it's laying off 18,000 and cutting the Smile program. I can see Amazon needing tens of thousands of people at the various facilities, but I doubt there business is in decline.
     
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  3. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I guess pandemic deaths only tightened the low-paying job market.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The latest Google layoffs will amount to 6 percent of their workforce.

    All of those big tech companies went on hiring sprees during the pandemic. They hired tens of thousands of workers, because demand for digital services (and Amazon's retail delivery service too, not just its cloud services) skyrocketed. They all treated it like it was going to be a new normal. It's clear now that it wasn't. Those are the excesses they are shedding right now.

    The reality they are looking at now is, rising interest rates and a global economy that is raidly weakening as a result. Their businesses are in decline from the peak pandemic business they were doing. Ad revenue is down (in the case of Google). So all of those companies are adjusting to those realities.

    The question is whether this is the beginning of an economic decline that is going to spill over beyond the big tech companies.

    Probably not. You are seeing layoffs across the banking sector, too, for example, because all of the investment banking and trading revenue that was rolling in due to an insane cheap money environment has been challenged in a higher rate environment.

    The housing market has been getting hit, as higher mortage rates are hitting the bubble cheap money blew. For example, KB Homes reported a few days ago, and buried in their results was that they saw an unbelievable 68 percent cancellation rate during the quarter.

    There was a sell off in the credit card issuers a few days ago, when buried in Discover's results was that their charge offs (people who aren't making their minimum payments) rose. Credit card balances have really run up, and I think it's because a lot of people have been running up debt to get by with how much costs have gone up for everyone. And the paradox is that because of that "inflation" that was stoked by cheap money, we now have a central bank tightening credit (ostensibly to deal with the inflation), which makes it so that the interest due on that rising debt is growing.

    I can go on and on about it, but we are in an environment where prices have risen a lot and economic activity that was really being driven by artificially priced debt markets is going away due to rising rates (again, ostensibly to try to deal with the consumer price inflation).

    There is not going to be an easy way out of what we did to ourselves with a long period of stupidity.
     
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  5. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

  6. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The other day I was talking with my colleague who's been pretty heavy into the AI stuff for years, and he said there's a lot more there than is generally realized. His younger son, who's studying analytics at UT*, was in a class given an in-class open-book, open-notes, open-internet task. The students who used Google, etc., were trounced by those who simply used ChatGPT.


    *You know which one I mean ... Hah!
     
  7. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    I always quibble with what we call "AI," and would argue most of what we see is Machine Learning, not Artificial Intelligence.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Believe it when I see it.

    That's not me saying it won't happen, just means that if it is going to happen. ... well, we're not there yet.

    1) reliable results are not there as of right now, and 2) it is expensive as hell to run those servers, and do they have a realistic plan for how to monetize the technology in a way that can meet the expense?

    It's not even a business right now, let alone something that is making Google obsolete.
     
  9. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    Also, Alphabet has plenty of smart people working there. Over the years, they - and Microsoft, and Facebook - have integrated plenty of features from competitors that have made their own services more robust. Those efforts aren't always successful, but I'm sure they have a plan to use them.
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Good point. Now that I think of it, that's the label my colleague uses.
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

  12. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Government futurists are terrible about it. They're constantly like, "AI! AI! AI!" and I bite my tongue with the, "I mean - that's really ML. ... unless you've got a system that can pass the Turing test??"

    But ML algorithms are pretty cool, and we're constantly trying to think up ways to employ them to make the machines "smarter."
     
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