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The NYT and The Athletic

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Alma, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    Even at the big boys? Seems like the money will be limitless there.
     
  2. Typist Clerk

    Typist Clerk Well-Known Member

    Foundering more than floundering.
     
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  3. SixToe

    SixToe Well-Known Member

    When Texas A&M or USC or Notre Dame or a few others start hearing about NIL Insider info, they'll want their own CollectiveDotCom. They'll pay, and when the tulips die or the dust settles or whatever happens, the changes will happen again. Iggy Insider will be let go and will find something else to write.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You're talking about the quality of product. ... which is subjective anyhow, even if I agree with any of your perceptions. It has nothing to do with whether it is succeeding as a business or is going to succeed.

    I don't know what it was "supposed" to be. The two founders basically started something on the premise that newspapers were dying, but the piece of the newspaper for which there might actually still be demand. ... was sports. They believed that sports fans would pay for good sports writing on a clean app that had no ads. And they started in one city, Chicago, I believe.

    They launched into a cheap-money environment, in which they could raise a lot of capital that wouldn't have been available in other times. ... and they tried to grow quickly, before fully proving the concept. And they started spreading to other cities. The state of newspapers allowed them to poach a lot of talent. And they didn't have to actually do it in the cost-conscious way viable businesses are forced to operate, because they raised a ton of capital that allowed them to live a fantasy for several years.

    There have been a lot of businesses (an idea, readily available mispriced debt or capital) like this over the last decade, and there has been (and is going to be a lot more) failure. If they had been forced to first figure out how to make what they were doing profitable (which proves their idea works), and then use that money they earned in order to expand into new markets and try to become something national in scope, they probably would have found that like a lot of subscription-based revenue models in the past. ... it's a tough way to do business, and you really need to offer a ton of value (that is costly to provide) in order to make it work.

    Which is why they never turned a corner. Right before the bubble that fed them a lot of venture capital to expand started to pop (we are now in a higher interest rate environment), they found a buyer. ... at a very generous valuation (although not as generous as it probably would have been if they could have sold earlier). Good for the guys who founded it, I guess.

    But the Times knew the site was losing money when it bought it. Whether they were making a good purchase or not, whether they way overpaid or not, they also have seemed to have a plan to integrate it into the offerings they want to create bundled packages around, cut costs dramatically (the VC money days are gone; now it is something that loses money, not being valued as "potential" growth in a cheap-money environment). ... and find a way to bring in more revenue beyond selling subscriptions (which I am sure hit a wall; even before the sale they realized that the amount they need to charge to pay for what they were doing was never going to garner the readership they needed to be profitable).

    I can't tell you if ultimately the NYT is going to be able to turn it into something that can earn them something. But if they can, it's going to be a balancing act of some sort. ... like all successful content-provider businesses. In order to make money, you need to offer enough value of some sort that makes enough people interested. But you need to make it so that the cost of providing that content is constrained and allows you to profit. You need to be able to monetize it. ... revenue.

    As a start up, none of that was happening. They were working with what seemed like monopoly money to them, and they grew quickly, poached talent by offering higher salaries, and weren't being forced to worry about actually generating income. The pressure to start earning a return on the money others had put up to create their business was just starting to weigh on them. ... and now it's the Times' problem.

    There is nothing yet, though, to suggest it is "floundering." In fact, when I read the COO talking about how they are exploring all kinds of ancillary revenue sources, I was thinking the opposite, like, "Finally, they are being forced to figure out how to make the thing actually work."

    But sure. They are trying to manage the costs of the product. The thing loses money. So I wouldn't be surprised if they have trouble figuring out how to make the quality of the product high. That much coverage, of so much, is costly. We'll see if they can get it right and whether there actually is something that can work. I think the jury is still out.
     
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  5. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Ruben was hired?
     
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  6. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Perhaps. After a while I feel like it’s diminishing returns. Will a southern state that doesn’t have a lottery relent on sports betting? You know the space much better than me. Maybe one or two already have. Those states also are much smaller than the big fish who’ve legalized, and I don’t know if DraftKings is spending a ton on ads if/when Alabama legalizes it.
     
  7. JoshBarnett

    JoshBarnett Member

    From today's New York Times story on NYT quarterly report ... Interesting ...

    The Athletic, which The Times bought for $550 million, continued to lose money, with an adjusted operating loss of $6.9 million in the fourth quarter. It has lost about $36 million since the acquisition. In 2021, before The Times acquired it, The Athletic lost $55 million. It generated $85.7 million in revenue in 2022, up from about $65 million the year before.
     
  8. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    If my math is correct, it seems like they haven't reduced costs much but made some gains revenue-wise.
     
  9. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    The Athletic began selling ads. That would boost revenue.
     
  10. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    More cuts today. Per Twitter. Washington and Virginia Tech writers off the payroll.
     
  11. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    My impression from my time in Seattle is UW is behind the Seahawks, Mariners, Sounders and Kraken. I was in town around Apple Cup time ~10 years ago and it seemed to be almost equal (maybe 55-45 UW). I get a Pitt-like vibe re: interest. That doesn’t get you a lot of subscriptions.
     
  12. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    I would say UW football is second only to the Seahawks.
     
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