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Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Great opportunity for schoolkids to earn a few dollars . . . working nights.

     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They left out the part. ... where those 16 and 17 year olds can only work a job serving alcohol with written permission from their parent or guardian.

    You are leaving out the part. ... where teens can't work past 9 p.m. according to the law's provisions.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    Hmmmm.

    https://truthout.org/articles/repor...bill-was-spearheaded-by-restaurant-lobbyists/

    I'm sure the restaurant lobby has only the best interests of these schoolchildren in mind.

    Rather than, say, lowering overhead and suppressing wages for adult employees.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2023
  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    What wages are there to suppress? Isn't the great majority of compensation by tips?
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Just as every lobbying organization has an interest. For example, an environmental lobbying group that you might feel more simpatico with.

    Their interests may or may not align with those "schoolchildren." One could argue that a 16 or a 17-year-old should be free to voluntarily exchange his or her labor in exchange for compensation and by that age they are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves if it is beneficial to them. Just as a restaurant can voluntarily make the decision about whether the productivity that teenager offers is beneficial to their business at the wage they need to pay to attract the teenager.

    If the idea is that lawmaking in this country shouldn't be a game of special interests buying legislation in what is essentially a corrupt game, the answer is simple: Take away the power of those legislators to pick economic winners and losers. The only reason lobbyists exist is that legislators who can be bought now corruptly direct economic activity in one way or another to the tune of trillions of dollars.
     
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  6. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Lobbyists for thee, advocates for me ...
     
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  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    Part of the problem with this surge in new child labor law is companies seeking to make legal what they're already doing illegally.

    And these Iowa laws aren't just about pulling a shift until 9pm at the drive-thru.

    https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2023/04/18/senate-moves-child-labor-bill-after-all-night-debate/

    Senators passed changes to Iowa’s child labor laws early Tuesday to allow 14- to 17-year-olds to work longer hours and in restricted fields with parental permission.

    Senate File 542 passed the Senate on a 32-17 vote shortly before 5 a.m. Tuesday after significant delays. The bill allows 14- to 17-year-olds to work in industries currently prohibited for minors such as roofing, demolition and manufacturing as a part of an employer or school training program.

    The bill also allows minors to work until 9 p.m. during the school year and until 11 p.m. during the summer — both two hours later than current law — and lets teens work up to six hours a day, up from the four hours currently allowed.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    And?

    In my opinion, there is nothing immoral or wrong about a teenager choosing to get a job. They are perfectly capable of making that decision for themselves.

    An employer is perfectly capable of assessing the typical skills most teenagers offer and deciding for themselves if hiring a teenager brings enough productivity to their business to justify the pay.

    Other than scratching your own itch to dictate how everyone else has to live, you are hurting a 16-year-old from, say, an impoverished background by dictating that they can't work. A job doesn't just give them money (what a novel idea. ... earn some money). ... it gives someone experience and can help them develop skills that can someday potentially lead to a better job.

    These discussions are infuriating to me, because a teenager who freely chooses to get a job shouldn't have to justify it me or you (their reasons just have to be their own), and the employer shouldn't have to either.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2023
  9. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    How much more dangerous are those jobs than high school football?
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Pretty damn dangerous, I'd wager ... they might involve mandatory DEI training.
     
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  11. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    The other arguments aside, it just seems strange that teens will be allowed to serve alcohol; yet are prohibited from drinking it themselves.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Probably fewer chemical burns.

    Over 100 children illegally employed by US slaughterhouse cleaning firm

    Who knows what toll has been taken by the 4-hour sexual harassment PowerPoint workshop.

    Increases in child labor violations, young workers’ injuries prompts enhanced outreach, strong enforcement by US Department of Labor
     
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