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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Next on deck. ... PacWest and Western Alliance Bank (as we approach the now ritual Friday clobbering, followed by the panicked weekend auction, and the Monday FDIC statements telling everyone there is nothing to see here). The equity of several regionals, with those two leading the way, is under severe pressure today. PacWest is actively looking for a buyer.

    The additional 25 basis point hike by the Fed yesterday is not going to help. Although people will take the wrong lesson, the problem isn't that they are hiking rates right now (consumer price inflation is forcing them, and even with 500+ basis points of hikes, prices are still rising at a hot pace), it was the decade plus that they suppressed rates and set up what is happening now.
     
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  2. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    I don't know that is the case. From the Luddites it's been going on supposedly. The change in technology just means a change in jobs.
     
  3. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Into a lower-paying job, sure.

    My parents never made what they made again after their auto jobs left the country. The line at Honda I worked on building engines just disappeared as robots largely build the new hybrid and soon electric engines.

    For lawyers and engineers, there aren’t really back-up plans if AI can do contract law and configuring manufacturing likes better than humans.

    Everyone is a Luddite to the person who has never lost their job and never found a way back.

    Welcome to the Uberization of the workforce.
     
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  4. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    At some point that isn't true. All the automation doesn't lead to lower paying jobs and it does lead to lower costs.
     
  5. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Uh-huh.

    At some point.

    Sure.

    Right when the trickle-down tide from 1980 arrives, I bet.

    (I found a General Motors paystub of my grandfather and he made more money in 1977 than I, a college grad, made in 2007…not adjusted for inflation.)
     
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  6. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    High school students working part time in fast food make more per hour than I did my last year in the newspaper business, and they are making more per hour than the poor saps who are still at my old paper. All those folks have college degrees.
    Getting out when I did was the best thing I've ever done. God bless my wife for giving me that nudge off the cliff.
     
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  7. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    It often does UNLESS you devote a lot of time, training and money into learning a new skill, which, depending on your age and ability to forego income while learning this skill, could be problematic.
     
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  8. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    The economy keeps adding jobs - more people working than ever before - tell me again about how "nobody wants to work." And policy makers "disappointed" with the job numbers out of further inflation fears. No wonder I only got a C plus in Econ in college.
     
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The Keynsian nonsense they have been brainwashed with teaches that inflation and unemployment have an inverse relationship.

    They should have an inverse relationship, FWIW. ... but that relationship gets thrown way out of whack by extreme government policies, in this case by the enormous expansion of credit over the last couple of decades due to our central bank forcing interest rates very artificially low, and the massive amount of government spending that has been monetized by that policy. Those are the causes for that inflation, not just low unemployment somehow driving wages higher and overheating the economy (which is clearly not happening).

    The one thing that should clue anyone into the fact that it's not fitting the Keynsian Econ 101 puzzle right is that the latest GDP number was anemic. It doesn't comport with us being beyond full employment. Plus, we have been getting announcements of thousands of layoffs (just look back on this thread) every day for the period that report was compiling.

    Even U6 at 6.6 percent isn't an accurate picture. ... They simply don't count millions of people like they don't exist, and on top of it they count people who have multiple part-time jobs as multiple jobs. John Williams of Shadowstats calculates the number to include long-term discouraged workers who have permanently left the work force, but were officially defined out of existence in 1994 during the period they were perverting government statistics to create politically palatable numbers. And if you measure it that way, the unemployment rate according to his service would have been 24.6 percent in that report.
     
  10. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    So unemployment IS high, but inflation is too? No wonder there was never a Schoolhouse Rock on Economics.
     
  11. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    "It's all a bunch of made-up bullshit that resembles nothing you've ever learned in a classroom."

    End of song
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If you believe the BLS. .. we are beyond full employment in this country (the natural rate of unemployment -- people moving around, between jobs, etc. is 4 to 5 percent, but we are at 3.4 percent unemployment) and we have runaway inflation (depending on which price index you use, prices are still up 5, 5.5 percent year over year).

    I think their numbers are absurdly meaningless -- they are at the point of telling people not to believe their lying eyes.

    I also can't tell you what the actual unemployment rate is, because I am not doing the survey. But I can tell you that they treat tens of millions of people who aren't working like they don't exist in order to create what is now a meaningless number.

    On inflation, it's a more subjective number, because when you put together a basket of goods to measure whether prices are rising, you can paint a million different pictures based on what you put in the basket and how you weight each of the things. It's not like an employment number which SHOULD be pretty straightforward, but in the hands of politicians has become anything but. Shadowstats calculates the CPI the same way it was being calculated in 1980 before they began making frequent changes to the basket and the weightings, and using that 1980 methodology, the last CPI report would have put year over year "inflation" at 14.1 percent. Using the 1990 methodology, it would have been 8.3 percent year over year.

    Combine that with the much higher unemployment rate that under the old methodology didn't adjust (i.e. -- make disappear) for long-term discouraged workers. ... and it would paint a picture of pretty entrenched stagflation.

    Anecdotally, I think that is the reality a large swath of America has been dealing with, particularly for the last 1 1/2 to 2 years.
     
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