Running shooting thread 2023

Hey MEgyn, here's a suggestion for MAGA, why don't you let someone exercise their 2A riahts on someone you love and see how stoic you can be?

And do any of you idiots know what the 2A actually covers? Can you tell the difference between it and the 1A? Seems like a lot of warriors in their third trimester-sized Cabelas can't.

 

Texas congressman criticized for prayers comment after mall shooting

The Texas congressman who represents the latest community reeling from a mass killing has pushed back against Americans who say more than prayers are needed to curb the violence, labeling them “people that don’t believe in an almighty God.”

Rep. Keith Self (R) appeared on CNN after a gunman killed at least eight people, including children, at an outlet mall in the Dallas suburb of Allen on Saturday. His response to a question about prayer not preventing such tragedies immediately fueled anger — with many on social media slamming his words as “meaningless” and “pathetic.” ...

Shannon Watts, who founded the advocacy group Moms Demand Action after the Sandy Hook killings more than a decade ago, countered Sunday that “faith without works is dead. Prayers without action are empty.”

She called on Self to do more to protect Americans. Mass killings like the one in Allen are “the logical outcome of lawmakers giving unvetted, untrained civilians unfettered access to arsenals and ammunition.”

 

The outlet mall mass shooter was identified by DPS as having a Hispanic name — Mauricio Garza, 33, of Dallas.

Hardly a white supremacist job, unless he was swigging from the same Kool-Aid jar as Clarence.

The El Paso Walmart mass shooter was from Allen. I think it's likely this is a revenge incident.

 

Kelly's being a bitch about it but I think the anti-gun lobby does need to have a serious conversation about what is reasonably achievable in the short, medium and long term (which I'm sure they are and do).

The fact is, that due to its exalted place in right-wing orthodoxy, a law that removes any significant number of guns from hands in this country is going to require the Presidency, a House majority and 60 Senate seats (to beat a filibuster), and probably the death or resignation of no fewer than two Supreme Court justices. And once you've achieved that, what of the guns that are already in homes across the country? There's no way to just make those go poof, and short of magic, a significant amount of those guns will get buried in a backyard somewhere or hidden in a basement if you ever get to that point, and that's in a constituency that isn't run by some sheriff who believes he has the right to nullify federal law. And there's also the matter of criminals, no matter how bad-faith the "only bad guys will have guns" argument is.

So if you can't win on the law, how do you win on hearts and minds? Yes, there's a percentage of nutbars who believe they need to own firearm(s) as a sort of heckler's veto against the government, but for every one of them, there are 10 or 100 who are so petrified of crimes against their person or property and the knock-on effects of that (unpayable medical bills, psychological and emotional trauma) that their interests outweigh the public shame they have to field as a gun owner during a mass shooting. And the only way to do that is 1. convince them there's nothing to be scared about (which will never happen as long as cable news exists, statistics be damned), 2. establish a more robust social safety net that would identify, isolate and treat the dangerously mentally ill and support the injured and crime victims (which those same people and their representatives will vote against) or 3. crank up the number of police in this country to (even more) ludicrous levels, which probably won't work, and will antagonize just about anyone who isn't rural and/or white.

The point is, that the genie has been out of the bottle for a very long time, and as communities, we have to legislate for what can be achieved. In an extremely good-faith reading of Kelly's point, I think she's trying point to that problem, but by being a bitch about it she can up her Q score a few points in case she's desperate enough to try for Tucker's gig again, which is probably more plausible.

 

To me, the first step is simple and perfectly defensible: Limit and track ammunition purchases in the same way you limit and track purchases of Sudafed. Stockpile (x) amount of ammunition, and get a visit from ATF asking if everything’s ok.

Then we can get into things like registering guns and tracking gun sales the way we register cars and track car sales.

Then we can start figuring out how to dial down the fear factor so that stand-your-ground laws and unfettered, unpermitted concealed carry laws can be rolled back to a common-sense level.

At no point does any of these things constitute any limit on lawful gun ownership, nor does any of the above signal “They’re coming for our guns!” You can have as many guns as you want. You can have sufficient ammunition to get through hunting season, and to keep on hand for reasonable self-defense concerns (particularly if you live in a rural area, where you do have to protect yourself against varmints, both animal and otherwise), and for weekends at the range.

ONLY THEN can we talk about the link between guns and mental health. (And yes, we’re talking about decades down the road here.) Because right now, tying any mental health concern to gun ownership is simply going to keep more people from seeking the help they need because they are afraid that if they do seek help, they’ll trigger some kind of red flag law. Make no mistake: These red flag laws are necessary. But for a subset of the population, they are a disincentive to seeking mental health treatment.

 

Always good to post this clip again.
Chris Rock agrees with you ... sort of ... in 1999.

 

The idea that a non-white person can’t be a white supremacist is not the shit I expected to see on this site.

 

Title of a book or song.

 

Explain Enrique Tarrio.