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Sam Zell … dead

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by matt_garth, May 18, 2023.

  1. matt_garth

    matt_garth Well-Known Member

  2. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    He called himself "The Grave Dancer." He deserves a fate worse than death.
     
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  3. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    He didn't call himself the grave dancer. Others gave him the nickname. And it was because of his ability to buy things on their deathbed and bring them back to life, particularly real estate. The nickname wasn't what you apparently think.

    I get that people on this board are not going to like the guy, because he overlevered the Trib and it led to its bankruptcy. It's not like he somehow got rich at the expense of anyone else for his stupidity. He lost hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money, and it was undoubtedly his worst deal.

    For the life of me, I can't understand an "a fate worse than death" sentiment for Sam Zell. I wouldn't expect most people to be particularly enamored with him, but I expect to see stuff like your post for when serial killers and child rapists die.
     
  5. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Dude, it's in the first line of the story. Ya read it?

    "Sam Zell, the billionaire investor who called himself “the Grave Dancer” for his bets on distressed assets,"
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Nope, I hadn't. I still don't get the sentiments.
     
  7. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    From the Crain’s story:

    Sam Zell, the billionaire investor who called himself “the Grave Dancer” for his bets on distressed assets, including a losing wager that drove the Tribune Co. into bankruptcy, has died. He was 81.
     
  8. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Well, we should never let not knowing what we're talking about interfere with our hot takes. Carry on
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What I do know: 1) Why you would pick on "grave dancer" as a negative makes no logical sense. He had a reputation for bringing things back from the dead. Thus, that nickname. 2) "A fate worse than death" for him is really harsh.
     
  10. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    grave-dancer

    You're operating with a different definition of a grave dancer.

    And again, the story in the Chicago Business Journal says he gave the nickname to himself. But please, keep operating with your own understanding of what a grave dancer is.

    RIP, grave dancer.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am telling you why he was called that. As an investor, he had a reputation as a turn around artist. He looked for businesses on their death bed and was trying to revive them.
     
  12. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Didn't he tell employees to fuck off during a town hall? I swear it was that or something similar.

    But let's all go for decorum here. It's what Sam would have wanted.
     
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