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Sam Zell … dead

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by matt_garth, May 18, 2023.

  1. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    A decade earlier, Zell's idea could have worked great. Tax savings would have been huge, and the place was printing money.

    If Zell hadn't come along, Tribune would have filed for bankruptcy in 2018 instead of 2008. And it would have taken that long only because it had profitable TV stations to lean on.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Nurse: Doctor Zell, this patient has a cough. It might lead to a serious illness in ten years.

    Dr. Zell: Better shoot him.

    Nurse:

    Dr. Zell: You heard me.
     
  3. Woody Long

    Woody Long Well-Known Member

    I'm mildly humored that it took three pages for Bob Jelenic's name to come up.
     
  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    He tried an experimental drug and it failed. Badly. But he paid us a lot to be involved in the clinical trial. :)

    I got about two years' salary because of the inflated price Zell paid, then four more years of employment before I voluntarily took a job elsewhere.***

    ***The joke may have been on me, because the only reason I left was because we were told that our jobs were going to be outsourced to Chicago "within a year."
    It took seven years for that to happen. I likely left a lot of money on the table by leaving when I did.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    If that kind of leveraged buyout had occurred in 1997, instead of 2007, the Trib would have been filing for bankruptcy when the dot-com bubble popped in 2000, when the 1990s party ended (as opposed to the one that ended in 2008).

    There are no free lunches. We have now had decades of the same cycles. You'd think people would catch on eventually ... The debt markets have been distorted to allow our government to keep spending way beyond its means. Those monetary / credit injection distortions necessary to live that fantasy, fuel malinvestment privately too, because the cost of money is price fixed to be artificially cheap to enable it all. It leads to things that look like insanity in hindsight; it blows bubbles -- leading to speculative frenzies, companies with no earnings and specious business plans being able to raise billions of dollars at higher and higher valuations. ... and multi-billion dollar leveraged buyouts for struggling companies like the Trib at the time.

    Eventually something blows up for any number of reasons, and it threatens economic misery (the payback). And they behave the same way each time. ... by stepping in with even an even bigger price-fixing scheme to try to reinflate the bubble, ensuring the overall payback the next time around is going to be even more economically severe, because they are fueling trillions of dollars of credit to prop up a lot of bad debt from the past, and that leads to even more epic malinvestment that makes the last bubble that popped look quaint.

    The only thing that made Zell's $8 billion leveraged buyout possible was the giant distortion that created the financial crisis in 2008. In an unmanipulated debt market it would never have happened (there is no moral hazard) and the Trib would have had to scale back dramtically and possibly go bankrupt on its own.

    But after the dot-com bubble popped, the response was to fuel more credit market insantity, and it culiminated with the financial crisis in 2008. Zell was really late to the party on the Trib deal. He closed in 2007. The bubble popped in 2008, and the Trib had to file for bankruptcy because that massive amount of debt that made sense in the artificial environment leading up to 2008 was unsustainable when the party ended. It's the same reason Lehman Brothers was skating along one day living a fantasy, and was gone the next.

    In the Trib's case. ... At the end of the day, your business is as good as its ability to sell things and earn money. Leveraging the Trib up to a batshit crazy level didn't change that reality.

    FWIW. ... Zell was luckier (and smarter) than not. He (inadvertently) cashed out on a giant overvalued real estate portfolio (he sold to Blackstone) around the same time as the Trib buyout and pocketed a lot of money. He sold out near the peak of a bubble. It's part of what emboldened him to think he could pull off that Trib deal. But he wasn't so emboldened (or reckless) that he put up more than a few hundred million dollars of his own money, and the crushing debt he piled onto the Trib couldn't have happened without the employees (who were so desperate to believe that the Trib wasn't a dying business, that there was some magical financial engineering that could change reality) agreeing to allow the company to borrow against their pension plan. They got equity in the deal. ... equity that was worthless in the bankruptcy.
     
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  6. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Maybe. But I don't remember the dot-com bubble having even a ripple effect on Tribune. Hell, the Fort Lauderdale newspaper was pulling in $250 million quarterly profits well into the 2000s. The Times-Mirror merger fucked things up for Tribune far more than the dot-com bubble.

    JP Morgan Chase knew they weren't going to make bank on the Zell deal even before the second phase went through and desperately and unsuccessfully tried to change the terms.

    My Tribune pension is safely sitting with TransAmerica, and is fully funded according to the disclosure agreements they sent a couple of weeks ago. Zell never touched it.
     
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I frustrate even myself on here sometimes, because it's difficult to be clear and express anything that isn't a soundbite. I apologize.

    Zell did a leveraged buyout in 2007 that heaped billions of dollars of debt on the Tribune company. That crushing debt is why the financial crisis in 2008 forced bankruptcy. That kind of thing was possible in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, etc. with the Fed keeping its thumb on the scales of finance to allow it (and keep things from failing). When the malinvestment that led to caused a panic in 2008, it was like the tide going out and a lot of people were standing naked (including that overly indebted Trib Zell had created). It was game over.

    That was not the financial situation of the Trib leading up to the 2000 dot-com crash. But you had said that you thought what Zell did could have worked somehow a decade earlier. ... And I was saying that if he had hypothetically done a leveraged buyout of that proportion in 1997, instead of 2007, the Tribune company wouldn't have survived the crash in 2000 with that kind of debt load. ... and that is with the Trib having a stronger business and cash flow situation in the late 1990s than it had a decade later (as newspapers declined).
     
  8. nickp

    nickp Active Member

    Sam Zell managed to do it to two at the Chicago Tribune and The Baltimore Sun
     
  9. Sam Mills 51

    Sam Mills 51 Well-Known Member



    Start around the 8:30 mark.

    In regards to Zell being gone ... if you can't something nice, don't say anything.













































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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Zell used colorful and vulgar language, how do you say, like it was a bodily function.

    It just made me think of this one. ... He was in studio in the morning on CNBC a few years ago and they interviewed a Congressman, and well. ... let's say Sam Zell didn't agree with him.

     
  11. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

    “Fuck you, journalist!”

     
  12. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    Sam Zell, publisher whose graves danced in the postseason, dies at 81.
     
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