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F--- boxing

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by anonymousprick, Sep 20, 2009.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    I think it is in the mind of every judge scoring the fight.

    The challenger has to be more active, more effective, more aggressive than the champion in order to take rounds.

    It's not enough to be close, because close rounds are more likely going to the champion's side of the ledger.
     
  2. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    It may work that way in reality.

    From reading Tom Kaczmarek’s booklet “You be the Boxing Judge” it’s not supposed to work that way. The fighters are supposed to be on equal footing.

    Of course, judges are human and have their own preferences and philosophies.

    One day I’d like to sit through the Association of Boxing Commissions’ judges course.
     
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  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Me, too.
     
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  4. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    The thing is the judges are human and we're all going to have some unintentional bias. There will be some judges that feel like the challenger needs to "win" the title and others that feel like winning seven rounds however it happens is good enough. A lot of it depends on the fighter. Bivol got three 115-113 cards on Canelo and it was hard to find someone that thought Bivol had won less than eight rounds of that fight.
     
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  5. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I think most fans tend to look at a fight as a whole, as opposed to four, six, eight, 10 or 12 one-round fights.
     
  6. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    I think they get caught up in moments of hurt.

    Loma had Haney hurt in the 10th round and really hurt in the 11rth round. Haney probab;y didn't have Lomachenko hurt in comparison at any point of the fight. But so why? The 10th round and the 11th round are just 1/6 of the fight. If Haney won six of the first nine, which he did in my opinion and the 12th, which he did in my opinion. He sitll won the fight. What Lomachenko did wasn't 10-8 round worthy and didn't erase the first nine rounds.

    I remember Shane Mosley stun the shit out of Mayweather in an early round of their fight and Floyd went on to beat the hell out of him for the next eight rounds.

    First time I got into this was the first Taylor-Hopkins fight where Hopkins threw maybe 15 total punches in the first six rounds, absolutely dominated the final four rounds, but rightfully lost on the cards.
     
  7. Huggy

    Huggy Well-Known Member

    I think TV skews the viewer perception with endless punch stats. They are like shots on goal in hockey: give me quality over quantity. All punches are not created equal, you can each land six punches in a round but if one guy is doing it with jabs and the other guy is doing it with power punches I know who I am giving the round to.
     
  8. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I really think Tom Kaczmarek’s book should be required reading for any serious boxing fan. Too bad it’s out of print.
     
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  9. Huggy

    Huggy Well-Known Member

    Outstanding performance by Teofimo Lopez last night in beating Josh Taylor. Taylor was awful in his previous fight and not much better here, no urgency even as the fight was slipping away and he never let his hands go or came even close to hurting Lopez. For all the chaos in his life Lopez shut that out to dominate and hurt the bigger man.

    I had it 117-111, two judges scoring it 115-113 were way off. Even giving three rounds to Taylor seemed like it might be pushing it.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2023
  10. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Lopez really rose to the occasion. Like Taylor, he was coming off a bad fight in his last outing. There was a lot of talk about how he regressed after beating Lomachenko, but he’s back in the mix for big fights.

    A friend of mine brought up an interesting point this morning. This is Hall of Fame weekend and for some reason there’s always a bigger fight somewhere else on this weekend. There’s a smaller show at Turning Stone, but on Hall of Fame weekend, shouldn’t that be where the big fights are?
    And yes, I know it’s also Puerto Rican Day in New York and a fight at Madison Square Garden has become a traditional part of those festivities, but on Hall of Fame weekend, shouldn’t the center of the boxing universe be in Canastota?
     
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  11. Huggy

    Huggy Well-Known Member

    Spot on, absolutely the Hall induction weekend should be the centre of the boxing world. The Maple Leafs always have a Hall of Fame game the weekend before the induction ceremony. I think the Hall could schedule around the MSG card.
     
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    Batman Well-Known Member

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