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Climate Change? Nahhh ...

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Riptide, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Our grandchildren are going to curse us for being selfish, short-sighted assholes.
     
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  2. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Not in Alabama. Since the state Public Utilities Commission is a wholly owned subsidiary of Alabama Power, is isn't possible to make the math work. What a consumer gets paid for returning their solar produced power to the grid does not pay enough to break even on a solar installation. We've got sunshine out the wazoo, but solar is not economically viable here. Deliberately.
     
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  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Not that many people. Electric vehicles are still less than 1 percent of the cars on the road in the U.S. ... even with the market being propped up in the ways I said for more than a decade.

    The existing auto industry is just a bunch of rent seekers. Promise them handouts from the government for anything, and they will take it. In this case, it's even bolstered by threats from technocrats who have the power to outlaw their businesses. A few months ago Biden signed an executive order to set a target for half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 to be zero-emission. California has already banned combustion engines in new cars in about 10 years. Car makers aren't responding to consumer demand. They are trying to deal with distorted incentives and the contrived markets of the future that are being centrally-planned in a theoretical way.

    The cost of EV batteries has gone up, not down, over the past few years, yet the department of energy just gave Ford (which can't sell EVs profitably) another $9 billion + last week in taxpayer dollars for a South Korean battery project. THAT is what this is all about from their perspective. There is still no consumer ground swell driving a market for electric vehicles.
     
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  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Worth remembering here that the government was a huge contributor to the rise of the internal combustion automobile business - by building all those highways.

    We incentivized the family car, and in many cases (eg, the Los Angeles Red Cars) undid the first great wave of mass transit.

    We've been scrambling to restore mass transit ever since.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    We don't have cars because someone forced roads down people's throats. We'd have had roads and a highway system provided cooperatively and privately to meet the demand for them if our state and Federal governments hadn't treated them like they were public goods (in the economic sense; which they are not in reality) when the demand for them was burgeoning. There are plenty of places in the world that have highways and roads and meet the demand for them without having taken that approach. It was the demand for those roads that created them, not some backward explanation that someone forced them on people and the supply created the demand.
     
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  6. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    You can’t argue against the federal government providing incentives for EVs and solar panels without acknowledging that the same government provided incentives to buy and drive private automobiles by building thousands of miles of highway.

    The government also looked the other way while GM and other automakers bought streetcar lines only so they could shut them down.
     
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  7. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Also, many streetcar lines were built by real estate developers that abandoned them to public entities afterward.

    Until battery charging is nigh-instantaneous, EVs are a solution looking for a problem.
     
  8. Justin Biebler

    Justin Biebler Active Member

    I run a rural 5311 federally funded rural transit agency covering two counties for approximately 110,000 people in the Midwest. The Feds are giving billions away to swap out fleets to low and no emission transit vehicles. Neighboring rural transit agency got about $2 million for an upgrade. In a county seat of 16,000 who the hell is going to repair those vehicles? If you are in an urban area, yeah, I get it, you may have 3 or 4 vendors who will be able to service them. Plus, you have to have the charging infrastructure for all those vehicles, which ain't cheap.
    I also worry about our low income riders, they are struggling to buy vehicles as it is, looking for just something that runs for $1000 (good luck). Those low-income folks here in flyover country aren't going to make enough to pay for an electric vehicle anytime soon, even with government incentives.
     
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  9. Noholesin1

    Noholesin1 Active Member


    Last week, Chinese battery maker CATL announced that it will start producing a next-generation battery that can deliver at least 1,000 kilometers (620 miles) of driving range. The Qilin battery enters production in 2023.

    Currently, the longest-range electric vehicle you can buy in the US is the $169,000 Lucid Air, the debut sedan from a California-based startup. It can travel 520 miles per charge, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

    The next best is Tesla's Model S sedan, with an estimated range of 405 miles. An electric vehicle that can travel 600 miles or more would constitute an epic step forward in battery tech.

    CATL, the world's largest manufacturer of EV batteries and a supplier for Tesla, says the Qilin packs tons of energy into a compact package thanks to advancements in both battery chemistry and packaging. The battery has an energy density of 255 watt-hours per kilogram, according to CATL.

    It will be 13% more powerful than 4680 batteries, the format Tesla recently started using for its Model Y SUVs, CATL said.

    Any vehicle can have tremendous range if it's packed with enough batteries. The challenge is ensuring those batteries don't take up too much space or weigh an excessive amount.

    Another benefit of the Qilin battery, according to CATL: Faster charging. The company sandwiched liquid-cooling components between the battery cells, enabling the pack to cool itself faster and, therefore, endure super-fast charging sessions without overheating.
     
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  10. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Opponents vastly overestimate how many miles the average person actually drives every day.

    Most people aren’t trekking out of state on a daily basis.

    I have a 25-mile commute each way to work. I fill up my hybrid once every three weeks.

    People in cities drive even fewer miles.
     
  11. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    About 10% of the cobalt for EV batteries is mined by child laborers in unsafe Congo mines.
     
  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    My commute is 10 feet, from my bed to my desk.

    The most I drive on a given day is six miles each way to drop my kids off at school.

    My brother, who works in the EV industry, keeps telling me I’m a prime candidate for one.

    I just don’t trust them on longer trips, of which we take quite a few.
     
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