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The NYT and The Athletic

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Alma, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. Fdufta

    Fdufta Member

    The rotating editors complaint is kind of laughable, too. Every newspaper desk has been dealing with this for a decade. If you can't adapt to different story asks at different times, you're not a very versatile writer, sorry. I mean, hell, beat guys do that on a daily basis.
     
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  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Pageviews are absolutely the new normal, no getting around that. Not everything you write is going to be a smash but gotta be hitting the right notes more often than not, play the SEO game with your editor and all that and make peace with it. But subscriptions? I think that's a different beast and not a writer's responsibility. Is it the writer's fault if the company isn't spending money on advertising and gutting the product locally?

    Of course the irony is that now Kravitz will be sweating the sub numbers all the time.
     
  3. SixToe

    SixToe Well-Known Member

    writers being required to secure subs is the new “we need you to sell ads” attempts of old newspaper management

    shouldn’t be happening but that’s today’s world
     
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  4. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    One of the challenges I've seen with The Athletic - I assume Kravitz ran up against this a little bit - is the the operation's desire for people to...not write too much.

    Kravitz will write as much or as little as we he wants now and typically at newspapers, the desks weren't kicking a mediocre column out of bed because it didn't fit the editor's vision. But at The Athletic there seemed to be a premium against being prolific, and editors, whoever they were, having too great a control over a writer's output and story choice. And in a sense that would be maddening - The Athletic wanted to fleece talent from local news operations, then put the talent on a pitch count.

    It was an odd, catered-toward-prestige approach for a start-up.
     
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  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Paying attention to subs is OK. Really. It helps to know where not to put your resources, for one thing.

    Of course, The Athletic covers stuff that I damn well know gets no subs, just like half of the stuff on Grantland got about 437 readers.
     
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  6. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Indiana Bob and the Last Crusade?

    I think I mentioned it on the book thread few months ago but The Athletic discussion definitely calls to mind Ben Smith's book Traffic, which focuses on Buzzfeed and Gawker's obsession with it and how it made each company in the beginning but eventually led to unintended consequences and eventually each company's downfall.
     
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  7. SixToe

    SixToe Well-Known Member

    I know of a couple of niche sites doing the metrics thing really hard, and the crashes will be wild.
     
  8. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Don't know how I missed that book but I'll get on that pronto.
     
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  9. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Coming soon: The Athletic Progress Edition
     
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  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  11. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    How does The Athletic determine “conversions”?
    The author of a story from which a reader clicks to subscribe gets credit? I understand that. But in some cases, a decision to commit money is not immediate but longer term.
    “That story is well written. I like it. Maybe there are more like it. Ok. Here’s another. I’ll read that. That’s also good. Having seen multiple stories that I like, I am convinced that I should subscribe.”
    So who gets credit? Only the person from whose story the subscription click came?

    Seems like the gig to have at this place is as an editor.
     
  12. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Subscriptions are often a function of promotion/advertising, special deals, etc, none of which a guy just trying to write a good story can control.

    At my shop I have a daily free email newsletter and I know how many people it goes out to. The number goes down a tad regularly due to normal attrition and only goes up significantly when the business side runs a campaign or sweepstakes or such. Yet our pageviews are way up year-over-year. I can control those.
     
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