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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member


     
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  2. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member



    EVEN WORSE, apparently, Biden's been shipping the Ukrainians money for nearly two years, and he JUST started sending money to Hawaii!!!!! Can you believe it!???!?!?


    ... the troubling thing isn't that some disingenuous asshole thought this video was clever, it's that ~20,000 reposted it and most of them surely didn't realize how stupid this argument is.
     
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  3. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I figured the righties would be pro-fire in the Maui thing given their track record.
     
  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

  5. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

  6. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  7. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  8. matt_garth

    matt_garth Well-Known Member

    Fulton County Clerk’s office posts a statement calling the document “fictitious.”

    “While there have been no documents filed today regarding such, all members of the media should be reminded that documents that do not bear an official case number, filing date and the name of the Clerk of Courts, in concert, are not considered official filings and should not be treated as such.”

     
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  9. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    They Nelson Mandela’d it.
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Trump tried to get the NY trial over the Stormy Daniels hush money moved to Federal Court, presumably hoping to draw a more favorable to him judge. That judge not only denied Trump's motion and batted it back to Alvin Bragg, he has had things to say about the case. It looks like it goes back to NY a stronger case.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...lvin-braggs-case-has-already-made-it-stronger


    "But at a hearing in June, an irascible U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein rebuffed Trump’s plans, with the judge becoming increasingly exasperated the more he detailed the weird business arrangement between Trump and Cohen. In court, Hellerstein described how Cohen apparently had some sort of typical attorney retainer agreement—except it didn’t exist. And on the stand, Trump Organization corporate lawyer Alan Garten bizarrely explained how there wasn’t any official paperwork to back that up.

    “He testified that he was not aware of any retainer agreement with Cohen, that Cohen's invoices did not contain descriptions of the work he did, and that the ledger entries for Cohen similarly did not describe his work,” the judge later wrote incredulously. “Garten testified that he did not know if Cohen actually worked on any matters referred to him by the Trump Organization.”

    The more significant findings in Hellerstein’s July 19 order, however, relate to the way he stated, in no uncertain terms, that the DA’s case is solid—and that Trump can’t hide behind the presidential seal.

    As it turns out, paying off a porn star like Stormy Daniels (privately known as Stephanie Clifford) isn’t a president’s job.

    “Whatever the standard, and whether it is high or low, Trump fails to satisfy it,” Hellerstein wrote. “Trump has not explained how hiring and making payments to a personal attorney to handle personal affairs carries out a constitutional duty. Reimbursing Cohen for advancing hush money to Stephanie Clifford cannot be considered the performance of a constitutional duty.

    “Falsifying business records to hide such reimbursement, and to transform the reimbursement into a business expense for Trump and income to Cohen, likewise does not relate to a presidential duty. Trump is not immune from the People’s prosecution in New York Supreme Court.”


    The real kicker is in here though, assuming that the judge's assessment holds up in court.


    "But in kicking the case back to state court, Hellerstein went much further than just saying that federal laws here don’t preempt New York state laws. He actually emphasized that the DA doesn’t even need to prove the underlying crimes that bump it up to felony status—like tax dodging or election fraud.

    “The only elements are the falsification of business records, an intent to defraud, and an intent to commit or conceal another crime. The People need not establish that Trump or any other person actually violated [New York or federal election laws,]” Hellerstein wrote. “Trump can be convicted of a felony even if he did not commit any crime beyond the falsification, so long as he intended to do so or to conceal such a crime.”

    When wasn't Trump trying to conceal a crime or obstruct a possible investigation? So much for "Bragg stretched the charges to reach felony status, then added obstruction".
     
  11. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    If I pay 23K can I then sue for false advertising since the President is named Joe Biden?
     
  12. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

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