Running shooting thread 2023

Yea, that’s exactly what she is doing.

 

The only problem is she doesn't stand a chance in the court system.

Republicans seem to be getting all this bullshit passed and upheld.

Yes, I know why.

 

I see it as the spirit of trying to do something to stop the gun violence. That's it. Obviously, it goes against some constitutional rules/rights. But, you know what? Something is going to have to be done/go against the Constitution as it currently is, at some point, in order for anything to ever be done about gun violence. It is the whole problem with the issue.

 

While sone parts of the Constitution are obviously open to interpretation, you can't outright ignore them. Especially when you admit the action you're taking is probably unconstitutional to begin with. That's ruling by decree, not by any kind of system we have in place in the U.S.

In this case, the governor suggests that people with concealed carry permits -- people who have cleared a number of legal hurdles already and who presumably are not the cause of ABQ's wave of gun violence -- should have their rights taken away because of the actions of others. I read it also runs afoul of New Mexico's state constitution, in a way that's quite black and white. That's acceptable because it's an issue you agree with?

The governor also suggested that the First Amendment falls into the same category. Maybe she decides that criticism of her order is hurting the police's ability to enforce it. Are you OK with her suspending that constitutional right as well? Or due process for those arrested? Or other legal protections?
The issue isn't just guns. It's a host of other rights that get thrown in the woodchipper to make this order a reality.

 

Oh, how troubling! As you blindly pledge allegiance to the constitutional traitors on your side of the fence ...

 

Didn't know slippery slopes were common in New Mexico, but they do appear to exist here.

Don't like open carry or concealed carry, governor? Good. I don't either. Get rid of them by legislative action.
By extension, Fourth Amendment protections could easily be eroded under the logic used to advocate the extrajudicial revocation of gun permits.

 

I was troubled when a lawless group of animals smeared faeces on the walls of the people's house.
But I am an old Fart who's never even fondled a gun.

 

It is in fact possible to abhor both gun violence and taking a sledgehammer to the constitution. And yes, something needs to be done, and yes, good on the governor for trying something. But this isn’t it.

 

“No one’s saying you can’t own a gun. No one’s saying you can’t carry a gun. We’re just saying you can’t carry a gun in town! That’s not so bad, is it?”

 

The plots of like 1000 Western movies involve the law telling people they can't wear guns in town. It's hardly unprecedented, constitutional or not.

 

This. Given that the Supremes seem to require previous intent under the law, it's a callback. Many sheriffs in tough cattle towns across the Old West required visitors to check their guns upon entering the town to preserve safety and order. It still won't work, the NRA will call Wyatt Earp un-American.

 

So...how do we solve this whole problem with the issue?

At some point, something is going to have to go against the Constitution in order for anything to change.