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RIP Bobby Knight

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by maumann, Nov 1, 2023.

  1. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    I think that is true. But I do think his players were generally student athletes. Guys were generally pursuing degrees and there were not the sham classes that many other schools had for athletes.
     
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  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I think that may be right for players who were there four years, as most were. Him caring about academics was not an act.

    I was at IU in the mid-90s and the stories were legendary about how he had stopped talking to the school paper. Apparently a columnist in the early '80s wrote a smartass piece that included a booger in Knight's nose (or something similarly random and inconsequential) and Knight cut off the paper for 15 years. A pair of female reporters one year behind me made point of asking Knight to break his silence with the paper, putting in interview requests every week for a year. He respected the perseverance and the school paper was brought back into his good graces -- then a few years later the paper (like most of the student body) largely sided with him when the shit hit the fan. Knight leaned into that pretty hard.

    So many other random memories ... sometimes the day after an IU win, we'd get a call at the sports desk from one of the SIDs that we could play a pickup game at Assembly Hall, so we'd hustle over pretty quick. Which was pretty darned cool. One SID that worked basketball and men's soccer was an absolute delight during soccer season and accommodating as could be (working for a prince of a coach), but come basketball he was a complete POS, surely because of the less-princely coach.

    During the year Knight would also speak to the student body one night at the campus auditorium. I don't recall those ever being planned in advance or advertised, word would just spread around campus during the day and the place would fill up.

    Different era.
     
  3. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    That was a go-to for him whenever he was angry. Which we all know was often. He used it on me (and, FWIW, my question was really good, fair and in no way snarky or a "gotcha" thing).
     
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  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I will say this about Knight - he had such a life force, its hard to imagine him even allowing the Grim Reaper into the room. I doubt he ever mellowed, but would have been interesting to see an interview where he looked back at his life and tried to put it into perspective. Being known more for the tantrums than the winning etc.
     
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  5. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    It was never accurate, no matter how many qualifications you put on it. With all the kids he ran off after a year or two or who left close to a degree but not quite there, his graduation rate was really pedestrian. But even if you remove the outbound transfers who didn't graduate and the inbound transfers who didn't graduate and just looked at the players who played exclusively for him for four years, it wasn't 100 percent. High 90s, yes, but never 100.

    It was just part of the myth of Bobby Knight, perpetuated by Bobby Knight and his PR machine in the athletic department, that most people in Indiana accepted as truth because they liked national championships.
     
  6. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

    I'M FUCKIN' TIRED OF LOSING TO GALILEE
     
  7. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    Knight won one more championship and went to one fewer final four than Denny Crum.
     
  8. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    I think he's still on the short list of a/t greatest coaches. And he has less stink on him--coaching-wise--than almost everyone around him on the a/t wins list.

    1.) Coach K: As fraudulent as the day is long, sold out his previous principles and cheated to win titles in the new era
    2.) Boeheim: An even more sour person than Knight but with about 300 vacated wins somewhere along the way (slight exaggeration)
    3.) Daggum: Wut me know anything about academic fraud?
    4.) Knight
    5.) Dean Smith: As clean and much nicer than Knight, but if we're talking coaching resumes, hard for Dean to beat the guy w/three national titles and an unbeaten season
    6.) Calhoun: Did maybe the most miraculous coaching job of a/t raising the dead at UConn, but again, as dirty as the day was long
    7.) Rupp: 'nuff said
    8.) Huggins: His BAC never matched his Blutarsky-esque graduation rate
    9.) Pitino: Maybe the best coach of a/t and will probably get a fourth school to the Final four, but the Louisville scandals are plentiful
    10.) Calipari: Busted big-time everywhere he went before Kentucky, which is an NBA factory with one national title under him

    Inflexible to change in terms of personal demeanor, but he won and won big with some semblance of principles for most of his career. Got fucking Texas Tech to the Sweet 16, and look at what kind of dudes Texas Tech had to hire to match or exceed that.
     
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  9. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    A larger-than-life figure who was complex and a tyrant. The choking video at the time was a BFD and before the dawn of social media. Admired how his teams played. The kind of basketball I was brought up with and "this is how you play."

    But, he was a Grade-A bully. His way was the only way. It worked in many instances. It obviously doesn't fly today.

    As Wetzel wrote, you can't write the history of college basketball without him. Doesn't mean you can respect/condone many of the ways he did it.
     
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  10. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  11. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Well, as myths go that's not the worst one to propagate. It wasn't like they were bragging about grad rates while running UNC-style study tables.

    And dammit we'd sure like another national championship one of these decades.
     
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  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Wooden?
     
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