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Meanwhile on the International front....

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by DanOregon, Apr 28, 2023.

  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    So if they try a little harder to protect civilians all is well? That isn't what you wrote a few pages ago. That was the plan you suggested that was thoroughly unrealistic.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The unspoken thing by a lot of people expressing compassion for the residents of Gaza, and condemning Israel because of the brutality of what it is doing . ... is that the majority of Palestinians still support Hamas, which denies Israel's right to exist. In poll after poll, including recent ones since the misery began for them, the majority of respondents still express terrible attitudes. According to polling the vast majority of Palestinians support racist views, support terrorism and reject peace . ... additionally, they are hostile toward the countries (mainly the United States) that have supported them financially over the years.

    There was a detente of sorts. ... until 10/7. But in the wake of the terrorist attack, Israel again sees an existential threat to its existence. And they aren't wrong. It's like when they were surrounded by countries from the 1950s til the mid 1970s that were hostile toward their right to exist and were threatening them constantly.

    I put zero stock in the poll-driven bullshit coming out of the Biden administration and the State Department. They have the resolve of a tired sheep and their shape shifting isn't the arbiter of what is right or wrong.

    I also personally don't know what is right. ... because it's not unnuanced the way some people keep trying to make it seem. The people in Gaza are suffering in the worst ways imaginable. Nobody can see the images and not feel compassion and helplessness for them. Full stop.

    At the same time, a narrative of "not all Palestinians are Hamas!" . ... and mostly innocent people being slaughtered has taken root. ... and I think it demonstrates naivety (at best). In a poll done by the Arab World Research and Development group after the attack on 10/7, nearly 60 percent of respondents very much supported the “military operation carried out by the Palestinian resistance led by Hamas on October 7.” Another 16 percent expressed moderate support. That is like people being asked about a monstrous terrorist attack in which more than a thousand people were slaughtered, there were beheadings, women raped, children kidnapped. ... and 75 percent say, "right on." That is what Israel sees itself dealing with.

    https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf

    Three-quarters of Palestinians support Hamas’ attack on October 7, says new poll. Why?

    A New Poll of Palestinians: Supporting Terror and Rejecting Peace
     
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  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...aim-hamas-refusing-to-release-raped-hostages/

    The Israel Defense Forces says public discussions about the state of captives held in Gaza has moved into reckless territory, urging those responsible to knock it off.

    “The conversation around the issue is irresponsible, inaccurate and should be avoided,” the IDF says in a rare statement.

    The pushback is apparently in response to comments from US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller Monday that Hamas terrorists likely held back on freeing female hostages because it did not want them to speak publicly about being subjected to rape and other sexual violence.
     
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    War fever is a disease to which no society is immune, unfortunately.
     
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  8. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    A Ruinous War and Peacemaking in Gaza

    In any event, Israel cannot “destroy” or “eliminate” Hamas anytime soon. With international diplomatic support, however, it might be able to disarm, suppress, and further delegitimatize the group. Doing so would require the committed help of those powerful Arab states, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia, whose leaders fear and despise the Islamist ideology that Hamas espouses. Yet any engagement by those countries in postwar reconstruction or negotiations would almost certainly depend on whether Palestinians have a clear path to statehood. With good reason, Israelis and Palestinians alike have lost faith in the catchphrases of nineteen-nineties diplomacy: the “two-state solution” and “land for peace.” The Palestinian Authority, the most important institution to emerge from those negotiations, is moribund and corrupt. And crafting a feasible peace settlement will almost certainly require a new era of Israeli leadership. Durable Israeli security cannot be achieved without Palestinian sovereignty. The alternative to re-starting the difficult work toward a sustainable deal is violence with no end in sight.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

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  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    There are many reasons they might make that statement. One is to protect the privacy of the hostages. Telling the world that happened to them would likely only make the trauma worse even if they are freed. It also inflames the frustration in Israel with those who think the focus is too much on attacking Gaza and not enough on bringing the hostages home safely.
     
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    Azrael Well-Known Member

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