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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    If you declare you will only buy anything from a single source, that single source has the green light to gouge you.
     
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  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Doesn't work that way. There's a LOT more to it than simply counting how many barrels a day are produced and comparing that to how many barrels a day are consumed. For starters, there's the type of oil that's produced (light/sweet vs. heavy/sour) and the type of refinery capacity being used (i.e. built for light/sweet vs. built for heavy/sour). The U.S. and Canada produce mostly light/sweet, but their refineries are set up for heavy/sour.

    Then there's where the oil is and where the products derived from it need to be (the Jones Act means that it's nigh-on impossible to serve, e.g., east coast markets with products from Houston).
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Plus the fact that oil trades is a global market dictated by global supply and demand. A multinational company drilling in the U.S. wants to sell for the highest price possible. The U.S. would have to coerce those private enterprises to sell only to the U.S., presumably at whatever price-fixed level the U.S. dictates they have to sell for. They are going to balk -- and why wouldn't they, if another country is willing to pay way more for that oil, why wouldn't they want to sell their product for what the market actually bears? -- which means that the level of coercion required might rise to something near outright nationalization of their businesses.

    As much as I am sure there are people who will cheer on that kind of theft because that is where we are at societally. ... it's immoral. Not to mention that you just need to look at Petróleos de Venezuela, for example, to see what the end game of that inevitably ends up being.
     
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  4. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Forcing multi-billion dollar corporations to pony up a little more because they are making their bank off average working people is not theft.
    Fuck them motherfuckers. They can suck up a rounding error to help the greater good.
     
  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    If pointing guns at people and telling 'em they have to sell at a price you approve ain't theft, it sure is pretty close to it.
     
  6. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    When seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
     
  7. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I love the inclination to want the U.S. to produce its own things. Really. But turning back to the protectionism and isolationism of the past is a roadmap to hell and global conflict even beyond what we have now.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    To sorta paraphrase Hayek. ... The "greater good" is a perfect set of moving goal posts for those who want to shit on the individual rights of others.
     
  9. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Quote unquote, "Okay."

    How is stabilizing domestic supply and demand "a roadmap to hell and global conflict?" I would think it would potentially insulate these shores from the same.

    Suggesting otherwise would imply that we are on the world oil teat for the sole purpose of world peace.
     
  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Twirling Time, the petroleum makret is perhaps the most globalized and wholly integrated economic system extant. If nothing else, the pandemic should have taught us that disrupting existing supply chains causes super big problems, many of them wholly unforeseeable.
     
  11. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    You just argued against yourself. When a supply chain is worldwide in the case of oil, all it takes is a bunch of drone-throwers on the shore to screw it up, much less a virus. Much harder to do when a market is in-house.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    You do understand that the entire oil production of North America is a little bigger than some terrorist attack on a tanker? That the entire oil and natural gas production system of the IS is tied into the world system, and that disruption works both ways? Look at Brexit. Did that help Great Britain or hurt it?
     
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