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Meanwhile on the International front....

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by DanOregon, Apr 28, 2023.

  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The NYT's "Looming Starvation" story this morning had this peach of a quote many, many paragraphs in ...
    The magnanimity!
     
  2. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Beau on the South Africa case in the ICJ, as well as the ICC's current status on Israel and the Palestinians. In brief, the ICJ has no enforcement power. The ICC does, but while the ICJ is about countries accusing countries, the ICC prosecutes individuals. Nothing either of them do will come together in less than a year or three.

     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This was addressed by the NYT back in October, before the narrative had turned to "war criminals" ...

    As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

    The subhead was: Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.

    The lede: As supplies of virtually every basic human necessity dwindle in Gaza, one group in the besieged enclave remains well-stocked: Hamas.

    From the body of the story: Arab and Western officials say there is substance to Israeli claims of Hamas stockpiling supplies, including desperately needed food and fuel. Hamas, they say, has spent years building dozens of kilometers of tunnels under the strip where it has amassed stores of virtually everything needed for a drawn-out fight. It is a reality that Israel may soon find itself grappling with if it makes good on its threat to invade Gaza.

    ...

    The supply situation speaks to the relative sophistication of Hamas as a fighting force — an axiom among military professionals is that while amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics. Yet with Gazans facing a humanitarian catastrophe, Hamas’s stockpiles raise questions about what responsibility, if any, it has to the civilian population.

    ...

    Mr. Ghattas said there was little chance that Hamas would be willing to provide food or any other kinds of supplies to aid civilians. “The Hamas movement cares only about the Hamas movement,” he said. “The public of Gaza mean absolutely nothing for Hamas.”
     
  4. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  5. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    Will be in Cape Town for all of February and as the government struggles to keep the power on for even 18 hours a day, not to mention the crushing corruption, poverty and crime that haunts much of the country, it is good to know SA’s leaders are focusing on areas where they can really make a difference…
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    So, the Israel should just negotiate and take it when terrorists slaughter their citizens and the U.S. should just allow Houthis to launch rockets at American assets and personnel and attack ships in the Red Sea with impunity.
     
  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    That's not what it said. It said that the U.S. was in a bind diplomatically, that it was a "heads we win, tails you lose" situation. If the Houthis are allowed to screw up shipping through the Red Sea, that's going to raise oil prices and screw with the supply chain, both of which mean that there must be push back on the Houthis. It affects everyone but the U.S. and our closest allies are going to be the enforcers.

    Now add this in to the reasons that there is pressure to keep the Suez merchant ship traffic flowing. The drought in Panama is so bad that the canal can't support ship traffic. Shippers are unloading at ports on one side of the isthmus and trucking goods to a port on the other side and reloading to finish the shipping. Again, supply chain screwed with and rising costs.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/11/pan...rsk-to-start-using-land-bridge-for-cargo.html

    It is entirely possible that a broader coalition of countries starts to put pressure on Iran to stop disrupting trade and their economies. Also entirely possible that they stay quiet and let us be the bad guys.
     
  8. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    I read the Iran story and was left wondering, "Iran won WHAT exactly?"

    Probably another instance where the author didn't make the headline.
     
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  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Iran, Houthis DESTROY United States of America!
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    We sure as hell didn't win anything. We swatted some flies, but the guys that got shot up were replaceable. Most of what the Houthis have is portable, the Saudis have been using air attacks on them for years. Unless we get a crack at their command structure we can't do more than damage them a little with such attacks. Those Tomahawk cruise missiles are a million bucks a pop.

    The big difference maker would be if some Green Berets or SAS were boots on the ground doing recon and spotting with a laser designator. No sign that we are at this point, but it could happen.
     
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  11. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    If "winning" is maintaining economic stability and by extension world peace, I'll take those "wins" all week long and then some.

    The message was the important thing. And that was sent. The ball is now in Iran's court.
     
  12. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Is it a win if they're back to doing it next week, though? Saudi Arabia has been sending those 1,000 pound messages for years but here we are.
     
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