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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. britwrit

    britwrit Well-Known Member

    In a way, this is why the internet should be banned. I can go down a complete time-wasting rabbit hole on this and never come close to a real answer. Sure, it seems like it's stayed the same but has the cost of specifically producing a Whooper risen or fallen?

    That is, has the real cost of labor, meat, buns, pickles gone up or down since then? And once you throw in the cost of government subsidies, whether agricultural, transportation - along with "cheap" money - is the average Whooper eater better or worse off? But I'm not close to being bright enough and life is too short.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    NYCB Tumbles on Report Bank Is Trying to Raise Equity Capital

    The irony is that Jay Powell has been testifying in front of Congress in his bi annual Humphrey Hawkins testimony (which is always entertaining and scary at the same time), and he has been asked multiple times about banks and commercial real estate. He assures everyone, it is all under control.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They just put out a press release saying they have raised $1 billion. ... a group that includes Steve Mnuchin's firm. :)

    Also announced a new CEO.

    They are doing everything they can to sure up confidence.

    Of course the group that just bought probably precipitated the stock price drop in order to get a bargain.

    What I don't get is why there hasn't been a run on deposits. People must be so conditioned to think that the FDIC / Federal government will make everyone whole (with what, though?) that they no longer worry.

    Weird times.
     
  4. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    If you eat a Whopper, you’re worse off.
     
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  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Ragu, we had the Global Financial Crisis less than 20 years ago, and it was horrible, but by and large depositors were made whole and the system kept functioning. You can argue, IMO rightly, that shareholders should've been wiped out and bondholders given a crew cut, but that's not what happened. Depositors, however, were made whole. And here we are. The system continues to roll along. Anyone who can afford to buy in, regrettably not enough people, has benefitted from doing som if they were reasonably prudent and only reasonably greedy.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    2008 didn't really see much by way of bank failures. They forced sales and did bailouts -- socializing the problem (look at the $34 trillion of debt we're all on the hook for and a little more than $1 trillion is probably attributable to the system continuing to "roll along," as you put it). The actual bank failures, which continued for a few years afterward were relatively contained. Only a small percentage had uninsured depositors who weren't made whole. I'd still argue that if you were one of those depositors it wasn't an "oh well" event to you.

    Have you ever looked at the FDIC balance sheet? It's a joke. It has a whopping $125 billion that is somehow supposed to be securing $7 to $10 trillion in deposits today. And when SVB and Signature Bank went under last year, Janet Yellen gave an implicit promise that all deposits would be made whole in order to bring in calm. If there are actual bank failures of any significance, where is the actual money in that implict guarantee coming from? Our government right now is already adding a trillion dollars of new debt every 100 days.
     
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  7. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    January non-farm payrolls were revised. Guess which way? Bonus: by how much?
     
  8. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    But, but, but ... February beat expectations.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yup.

    Quietly, they revised the bullshit number from January down by 107K (nearly a third of the supposed jobs). ... you know the one I was saying was nonsensical and didn't add up from the actual household survey anyhow. I have pointed this out for the last two years. They report bullshit, then revise down when nobody is watching.

    This stuff isn't accidental. They report some crafted number that bears no relationship to any reality, they get a headline, someone comes on here and does the "bad news for Biden!" post(like Joe Biden employs anyone), and I get jumped on for anything I post.

    This month they allowed the unemployment rate to tick up to 3.9 percent (which is still full employment, even as huge numbers of people have stopped working or looking for work and we have millions of people working multiple part-time jobs, which they count as multiple jobs!). It works really nicely for the "soft landing, nothing extreme, so back to easy money" narrative that has aleady been preordained.
     
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  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Interesting thing you can pull from their report. Taking away their seasonal adjustment which allows them to create whatever number they want, and just working with the numbers in the survey: Year over year, native-born workers have seen a decline in 900K jobs; Foreign-born workers have seen a gain in 1.5 million jobs!

    It makes sense. ... the new jobs that are actually getting filled (aside from government jobs which are now one of the biggest components of every report) are low wage, low skill jobs. And we have a lot of migants who have come into the country. It's actually good for the country -- it's why they came here, looking for jobs.

    But I am pointing it out because it gives fodder to the ignorant anti-foreigner stuff.
     
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  11. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Do you really want to hurt him?
    Do you really want to make him cry?
     
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  12. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    The number beggars belief when it can be revised by ONE THIRD only 30 days later.
     
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