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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    2016.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    1. He didn't want anyone to know he was paying off a porn star that he was lying about not banging, because he's Donald Trump and he lies and schemes. So they tried to hide it. ... enter Michael Cohen.

    2. Same answer as 1. He was trying to hide the fact that he banged a porn star and was paying her off, so the scheming bunch of idiots came up with a plan for it to be done by Michael Cohen so if people found out they could pretend it wasn't Trump paying off a porn star he banged, it was something else.

    3. Ask Michael Cohen. He probably was afraid of even more jail time if it went to trial and he lost.
     
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  3. Deskgrunt50

    Deskgrunt50 Well-Known Member

    The Wall Street Journal reported the Stormy Daniels scheme in 2018.
     
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  4. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    So the "he was trying to hide the money he was using to pay off the porn star and cooked his books to do so," .... that should be legal? Because it's his money?



    So Michael Cohen could be convicted of a crime .... but Donald Trump trying to hide the evidence of Michael Cohen's crime should be legal?
     
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  5. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    This is why libertarians will never be in charge of anything.
     
  6. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Incidentally, you know how many Black libertarians I’ve ever encountered? Zero.
     
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  7. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    I can't imagine anybody in the current rogues gallery who can do that.

    It may not happen in that order.
     
  8. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Fuck that noise. Trump won in 2016 and would've been reinstalled as president in 2020 if he got his way. Sorry for my lack of faith in the American voter. They are what we think they are.
     
  9. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    The judge was not highly conflicted and the only thing that was a disgrace was how former president and convicted felon Donald Trump acted so far outside the law that the whole thing became necessary.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, in MY opinion. ... none of this nonsense should be something that can send anyone to prison.

    You can criminalize anything you want. You can make someone who used heroin into a criminal, for example. And I'll sit there all day long and say, "That's their business, not yours."

    How people spend their own money (whether it's to fund a political campaign or if it's to pay off porn stars because they want to do the absurd and pretend that they are an evangelical Christian) should be their business, not something that can selectively be turned into a criminal prosecution.

    That's my opinion. And in fact, the contention this kind of weaponizes the law (where it gets wielded in some cases, not in others) is kind of backed up by what you posted. ... Donald Trump wasn't prosecuted by the Feds for a campaign finance law violation of some sort, likely because it is pretty convoluted to turn him paying off a porn star into a campaign contribution in the first place. Yet, New York made that a second-degree element of a "falsifying business" record crime in order to create a felony charge out of it.

    But that's not even what I take issue with. They brought the charges and a jury convicted. That's the way our justice system works. It was a fair process. If I don't like it, I will do what I am doing. ... arguing that the laws themselves are bullshit.

    What I was saying is that in my opinion, your money, what you do with it (as long as you aren't hiring hit men with it, etc., and then prosecute the person for murder, not bullshit). ... should be your business and no one elses. Even if you are Donald Trump and you pay off porn stars with it because you are lying (when everyone with a brain knows you are lying) about the fact that you are a lecherous creep who sleeps with porn stars to advance the Kabuki Theater we lived with.

    You can put a lot of people in prison for things like this (we actually don't). ... it makes them douchebags or liars. It shouldn't make them felons.
     
  11. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    The 33 percent of voters that are hardcore ultra-right Trump supporters are lost forever. No point in even going after them. Mother Teresa could be the D candidate and they'd find a way to trash her.

    I predicted Trump was going to win in 2016 the second the Comey letter came out. Perfect storm of extremely unlikable candidate and gallons of Trump snake oil. A man convicted of 34 felonies is not going to swing six states that he lost four years ago in November. Feel free to quote this and drag me in November if I'm wrong.

    PS -- If I was convicted of 34 felonies in court yesterday, I would not have a job today. Deservedly so.
     
  12. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    So you're in favor of unlimited, unaccounted campaign contributions?

    He was Unindicted co-conspirator No. 1 in the indictment to which Michael Cohen pled guilty. He wasn't prosecuted, I suspect, because the FEC is controlled by three Democrats and three Republicans. The FEC is a political body.
     
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