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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Wait'll the first drone delivers the new rug on top of little Susie in the front yard at like 100 mph. That'll be the end of this idea.
     
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  2. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Didn't the Everly Brothers write a song about that 70 years ago?
     
  3. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    She wouldn't wake up from that, though...
     
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  4. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    Wake up, little Suzie
    It’s time to bury you
     
  5. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    The real issue is, how many get shot down?
     
  6. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    U.S. manufacturing orders down, production stagnant in May due to high borrowing costs and softer consumer spending. Suggests weakening across the broader economy.

    International mfg output and orders were up.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yup. The economic data has been weak almost across the board for about a month and a half. It's not surprising. When borrowing costs rise, there is always a lag -- it can actually take quite a while -- before things slow as a result. The question is how slow and how much stress is it actually leading to.

    The flip side is that despite what looks like the slowing you are pointing out. ... the "inflation" data is still showing. ... "inflation." PCE last week held steady.

    It's not like things are completely falling apart, because they are keeping financial conditions really loose, offsetting the higher overnight rate with things like reverse repos that continue to pump money into the banking system.

    But we are certainly seeing low-level stagflation. It's much preferable to play that game for them, because people who are struggling financially won't be able to put their finger on exactly what is making things so tough for them.

    FWIW, the GDP numbers would have already been showing recession for the last year+ without all of the continued fiscal spending. ... they have been adding a trillion dollars of new government debt every 100 days. The actual economy (as people understand it) has gone nowhere.
     
  8. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    While the OPEC people continue to predict ever-increasing demand, the International Energy Agency has a different opinion: Peak oil in 2029, not with rationing but with an oil glut due to reduced demand.

    The world faces a “staggering” surplus of oil equating to millions of barrels a day by the end of the decade, as oil companies increase production, undermining the ability of Opec+ to manage crude prices, the International Energy Agency has warned.

    While demand is forecast to peak before 2030, continued investment by oil producers, led by the US, would by then result in more than 8mn b/d of spare capacity, the IEA wrote in its annual report on the industry released on Wednesday.

    This “massive cushion” of extra oil could “upend” the efforts of Opec+ to manage the market and usher in an era of lower prices, the IEA said, adding that the level of spare capacity would be unprecedented outside the coronavirus pandemic.

    “It is not the first time the oil markets would see an oversupply, but one important outcome would be downward pressure on the prices,” said Fatih Birol, the agency’s director.

    He added the combination of slowing demand and rising supply “could have substantial implications” for oil companies. “It is time for many producers to look at their business plans, in my view.”

    The Paris-based body, founded in the aftermath of the 1970s Arab oil embargoes to advise on energy security, said last year that the world was at “the beginning of the end” of the fossil fuel era. It has said demand for oil, natural gas and coal will all start to fall before the end of the decade amid the mass rollout of renewable energy and electric vehicles.​

    World faces ‘staggering’ oil glut by end of decade, energy watchdog warns
     
  9. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the SEC Longhorns!
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That is Fatih Birol. Before him, the IEA mostly focused on analysis and data collection with regard to global energy.

    He's an evangelist for clean energy and it clouds everything that organization does now, not just in terms of the clean energy policy initiatives he constantly pushes and advocates for, but in terms of the data collection and analysis, which used to be authoritative and now gets treated like its suspect. It's entirely him and what he has done to the organization over the last few years.

    I suspect what he is predicting can't be separated from what he would like to see. There is very little right now that anyone else sees that would suggest that oil demand is permanently peaking right now. That will only possibly be the case if one of two things happens: 1) we go into a severe global depression that is long lasting, which is certainly a possibility, but he's not predicting that, or 2) Something else replaces oil for the world's growing energy needs, and nothing that actually exists is anywhere near cost competitive.

    I'd take anything coming from Birol with two grains of salt. He's more evangelist for something specific than disinterested observer.
     
  11. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Dunno about Bret Stephens. But the guy he quotes in that piece, Ruchir Sharma, has a book out called "What Went Wrong with Capitalism." It details how what we have in America. .... is not capitalism. In addition to the cheap money distortions that piece writes about that have left more than half the country behind, he details how we've become a bailout nation. The idea of our government bailing out a business up until the 1980s, was heretical, but since then the bailouts have become bigger and bigger and occur at the first sign of any trouble. We privatize the gains and socialize all costs, which is not capitalism. He points out that 100 years ago, our government was 3 percent of GDP, today it is 36 percent. The results include only 30 percent of people today feeling better off than their parents were, when that was never the case in America before.

    He points out that we now introduce 3,000 new government regulations a year. In the last 20 years, we have gotten rid of 20 regulations in total. It has created a corrupt system, in which big players buy legislators via lobbying to give them regulations that create barriers to entry and keep competitors out. Small businesses can't operate, as a result. It's too expensive to get going and navigate the government corruption.

    It's basically a suite of out of control fiscal and monetary interference in people's economic lives, and it has screwed us up (and it's even worse in other Western countries where socialism has taken an even bigger foothold).

    It comes up all the time on here, when people blame whatever they are complaining about on "capitalism," and then I am like, "We don't have capitalism. And what you are arguing for as the 'fix' is more of what caused it!" It's insane to me, and we are on a path where we are destroying ourselves. It's why I always use the "arsonist riding in on the fire truck to put out the fire" analogy.

    Yet somehow "capitalism" becomes the thing that's blamed, when it's not allowing capitalism that is the actual problem. People have no understanding of what capitalism actually is, because a generation has grown up with something completely different, yet calls it capitalism. It is the reason there is so much economic discontent today, though. We have created a two-tier society with haves and have nots, and it's all the result of insane fiscal and monetary action that has taken a bigger and bigger chunk of people's economic automony.

    In any case, I read Sharma's book. It's not great, and I don't entirely agree with him (won't get into it), but the basic point that we have moved away from allowing capitalism and we're paying for it, makes sense.
     
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