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Slacker · Jun 21, 2024

Octave said: ↑

DanO-

Gaetz is a very small guy with a very rich daddy. That goes a long way in alachua County or wherever these crimes were allegedly committed.
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Farty, maybe check a map next time, ya think?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Florida+Panhandle

Gaetz's cult basically is AllaBamy
anyway, so that explains a lot, too.

Slacker · Jun 21, 2024

Smallpotatoes said: ↑

Supreme Court upholds domestic violence gun restriction
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LOL, it was a unanimous decision but for one giant dumbass,
and the one giant dumbass here is ... well, go ahead, take a guess ...

Clarence Thomas!

Slacker · Jun 21, 2024

Songbird said: ↑

This is the only commandment Trump believes in.
THOU SHALL NOT COVET YOUR DAUGHTER'S MOTHER.

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Shelbyville Manhattan · Jun 21, 2024

ETTD

DanOregon · Jun 21, 2024

Everything he touches....

dixiehack · Jun 22, 2024

Shelbyville Manhattan said: ↑

ETTD

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The anti-Grimace

DanOregon · Jun 22, 2024

Its been so long, do Canadian teams get a trip to the White House? I mean, I imagine they have some American players. Or do they just go to Ottawa?

Octave · Jun 22, 2024

Slacker said: ↑

Farty, maybe check a map next time, ya think?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Florida+Panhandle

Gaetz's cult basically is AllaBamy
anyway, so that explains a lot, too.
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Don't call me outside my name.
I've been to these places so I don't need to look them up.

Azrael · Jun 22, 2024

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I'm going to respond to this, because you asked.

Yes, I think she was assaulted when she was 12, based on her accusations and Morris's admissions.

I don't know what kind of pressure there was. I wasn't privy to the goings-on at the time. But she wasn't 12 when she started trying to address the situation with church officials. She was 35, and she had meetings with Morris regarding her allegations at that time (2005), as well as a couple of years later (2007), when she apparently got serious and retained a lawyer. I read somewhere that her parents were also involved with those meetings, and if they were not satisfied with the results of those encounters, it was incumbent upon the the family to go to the police. In fact, they should have gone to police much sooner -- indeed, before approaching any church officials. I think this is where things got hung up.

I don't intend to blame the victim or her family regarding that, but this is a major issue in the case. Both the legal statute of limitations, and, most likely, and even the civil s of even a civil case, are long expired, according to the laws at the time during which the sexual abuse took place (although that would not be true were it to have been happening now). They would've had an even stronger case if, as it seems, Shady Oaks church officials at the time did not report the Clemishire accusations once they were made aware of them, as the law requires. So, all the more reason to involve the police.

The Dallas Morning News article below addresses the statute questions/situation well, if others can read it (I'm not sure of that).

Gateway Church founder Robert Morris accused of past abuse. Could he be charged?

To answer your question, though, if Clemishire had still been a child, or even a near-adult teenager, I could see there being pressure. But otherwise, as an adult, if she wanted real, legally applicable justice, no, I don't see it, particularly if she had the support of her family, and I'd have gone straight to the police if Shady Oaks officials did not do so at the time. Morris was a nobody back then, and would've been arrested, at least, and maybe even charged, with at least something.

Also, no, I don't see the likelihood of anybody jumping for joy in this situation, or as I thought Clemishire did, sounding too gleeful about anything. It makes me question her motives, sure, in part, because of my own feelings of upset over Morris. But it really rubbed me the wrong way.

I tend to be a forgiving person, and certainly, I try to be when it's called for. I just don't usually see, forever and always, no matter what, someone's worst act being necessarily the only thing that matters in their life. Particularly if there is evidence of change, betterment, and...good, as I believe there has been in the case of Morris.

So, the rest of my view on this is emotional: This, to me, is a vengeance quest, and maybe, a money grab, after too long a time, given that there is unlikely to be either a legal or civil case at this point.

I know I do wonder about Clemishire's parents -- she first told them about Morris's abuse when when she was 17 -- and now, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in the Morris household, either. Like it or not, the Morrises are very church-oriented -- both of the pastor's sons are also pastors -- and his daughter's a missionary, I think.

Anyway, I do hope Clemishire finally gets what she wants out of this situation, although, as I've said, I don't really think she will. And yes, I hope the Morrises, and Gateway Church, too, also recover, in time.

This is the last I will say about this topic unless and until something new arises, perhaps as a result of Gateway Church's investigation, or some other news.
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denial

anger

bargaining

depression

acceptance

garrow · Jun 22, 2024

Trump isn't like all the other politicians!!!! (Lies constantly, makes empty promises, flips his positions after being bribed)

Azrael · Jun 22, 2024

UNCGrad · Jun 22, 2024

As I've said again and again for more than eight years now, the GOP would've gotten every little thing they wanted with any single candidate - immigration, SCOTUS, any and all appointments, etc. etc. etc - but they supported this guy. They had avenues time and again to rid themselves of him. They rolled. They are still rolling. They told us who they really are. They continue to tell us who they are.

It's our job to remember that. And if it's also our job to fear that, then show the fuck up in November.

And if we don't, we as much deserve everything that happens as those who support him do. Every bit of it.

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