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Israel and the Middle East

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Azrael, Oct 9, 2024.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I understand that.

    Generically, it's probably a fair criticism of certain kinds of writing about Israel.

    But since he hasn't read this book, he doesn't know if it's a fair criticism in this case.
     
  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I think you understand exactly what Matti was getting at.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Of course.

    But does his criticism apply in this specific case?
     
  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Anyone have an idea of how all this ends? I can't keep track of what each side is "responding" to at this point.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    With Coates' book?
     
  6. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    You're saying that he can't reply to a question about the interview, or the dozen other interviews he's done without reading the book? People on this thread have been reacting saying they didn't watch the clip. Coates says plenty about his research and his conclusions. Why can't an experienced reporter have and voice an opinion about that without reading the book?
     
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  7. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Israel, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah.
     
  8. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    This is the nut of it.

    The reporter who has lived every nuance of that world doesn't have to read a book by a writer who spends a week there and proclaims himself an expert on thousands of years of conflict.

    < enter Azrael > He proclaimed himself an expert?

    < enter Songbird > You know exactly what I'm saying.

    < enter Azrael > Yes but ...

    -- rinse and repeat --

    (Joanie Loves Chachi laugh track into commercial)

    Annnnnnd scene!
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    "I haven't read the book."
     
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    As I said, he's welcome to generically address the problem of writers parachuting in and drawing conclusions about Israel.

    But if he hasn't read a specific book addressing a specific issue about Israel and its conduct, how would he know what that book or essay gets right or gets wrong?

    It's dismissive. It's calling a book you haven't read a "bad book."
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2024
  11. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  12. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    I'm paywalled out, but without reading them, I'd guess that "sound" is being used as a euphemism for gentle.
    I haven't listened to his interview with Ezra klein, but someone i respect told me that it was interesting because he agreed
    with Coates on the broader conflict, he pushed him on the book.
     
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