President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Michael_ Gee · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:38 AM

The political fundraising emails are almost all gone from my inbox (fuck off, Bob Casey) , replaced by offers from purveyors of goods and services I purchased once upon a time, sometimes decades ago (Harvard athletics is a particularly faithful correspondent. Nature is healing.

Octave · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:49 AM

Alma, maybe Republicans can stop being angry all the time now that they've gotten what they want ... and take that occasion to be funny even one time.

dixiehack · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:50 AM

Voters don’t respect being nice. Donald Trump told everyone who would listen that their country sucks, their military is incompetent and that half the population should be shot on site. He made his party eat dog shit from the halls of Congress down to the trailer park guy with the tattered Rebel flag out front. And most of them lined up to ask for an extra scoop.

Time to stop being pussies. Time to shove this shit back in their faces. Alcoholic daddy ain’t going to be satisfied if you hide in the corner and beg him to stop. Punch him in the face so he’ll learn.

DanOregon · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:51 AM

maumann said: ↑

Mark it down now. Ossoff and Warnock are gone. If 2024 is any indication, Democrats won't win any national race in Georgia for a very long time. Jesus H. Christ hisself could be on the ballot, gas could be $10 a gallon, there could be 30 percent unemployment and 84 percent of the mouthbreathers up here would still vote for the Republican.

Gwen went to lunch yesterday with a lady friend who asked to bless the meal. She thanked God for the miracle that is Donald Trump. I'm definitely certain the Bible we read is missing that part.
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I'm worrying Fetterman flips to R at this point.

HanSenSE · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:56 AM

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They don't know how to message it at all. Biden's "see you at the ribbon cutting" line was great, but did he show up at the ribbon cutting? Did he make it a priority to really message those projects and have workers there who understood who wrote and passed those bills and who signed them? It doesn't seem like it. So while I think there are tons of factors into why Tuesday broke the way it did, I do think this lack of a long messaging game really hurt Biden and, in turn, Harris.

I listened to the latest Pod Save America episode and they actually changed my opinion on what I thought was a dumb theory, that Harris, with just 100 or so days as the presumptive and then actual nominee, didn't have long enough time to convince voters of what she could do. They said that she actually took moved the her approval ratings from the horrible Biden numbers to something much, much better in just those four months. Maybe the clock did run out on that. However, (my 2 cents now), I do believe Biden and his comms people were awful at communicating their successes and plans for 3 1/2 years and they did little to show Harris as particularly vital to the administration the way Obama did with him. Those were big blunders.

So, related to that, I think Harris had a fine campaign overall, but she needed to do every interview, friendly media or not, from an early date. She should have sat down immediately with the Times, the Post, the WSJ, all the networks, etc. I mean, Trump would just show up or call in. That's what she and the Dems were competing with, messaging-wise. She should have gone on Rogan and other pods. When Trump told Rogan how awful she'd be on his podcast (she'll be on the floor calling for the paramedics, he said), Rogan disagreed and said he thought they'd have a good conversation. After he said that, I thought, Dammit, she should go on!

So if it's true that, at the end of the day, she really didn't have enough time to make the full case and build more momentum, then maybe she should have done all of those things and more!
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I'll add to that something Willie Brown said on his KCBS radio hit yesterday. Harris' campaign was run by a lot of Biden's people, not hers. Could it have made a difference?

SoloFlyer · Nov 7, 2024 at 11:56 AM

BitterYoungMatador2 said: ↑

She should have done Rogan over Fox. That sitdown did nothing for her.
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This is one criticism I agree with.

She should have done every interview possible. She started to late. But she should've done it from the start.

garrow · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:02 PM

Rogan interview would have generated only fodder for the Murdoch mill, not votes.

BitterYoungMatador2 · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:02 PM

Octave said: ↑

Alma, maybe Republicans can stop being angry all the time now that they've gotten what they want ... and take that occasion to be funny even one time.
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Never stopped Rush Limbaugh.

playthrough · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:11 PM

BitterYoungMatador2 said: ↑

She should have done Rogan over Fox. That sitdown did nothing for her.
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As we sit here today, yeah, didn't seem to do much. But at the time it was smart to go into that hornet's nest with the doofus Baier. The point is you don't choose X over Y, you take anything with a significant audience. It's also obvious the Dems need to figure out the Latino outlets and podcasts and hit those just as hard as the NYTs and WaPos.

poindexter · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:13 PM

cyclingwriter2 said: ↑

Been trying to rationalize the last 36 hours as best I can. It’s easy to blame voters, but just like in 2016, Harris had much less votes than her predecessor.

Why?

We heard very loud and clear from the Left about the dystopian future under Trump, but what if the non-magats who lean right look around and see they already live in one.

— their paychecks don’t go nearly as far as they did four years ago. Blame billionaires all you want, but to the person who is paying more for everything they purchase on a salary that hasn’t kept up, it’s easy for them to look around and say, “well, if so many places didn't increase their minimum wage under pressure from the left, my prices wouldn’t have gone up.”
— we can say the economy is doing fantastic, but when they see the chain stores they grew up with going belly up and the malls they loved shopping at are obsolete, they look around and wonder what the hell.
— the simple comforts they used to find solace in are also vanishing. They can’t afford those season tickets any more. They can’t afford the vacations.
— they see no hope in sight. As much as they mock the younger generations, they also see their struggles. But how can they help when they are being maxed out as well.
— they don’t understand a lot of things. They wonder why there is a national outcry when a white cop kills a black man in handcuffs, but why is a story about a black person into a parade swept seemingly under a rug.
— they wonder why Beyoncé with her billions of dollars and awards says it’s racist she doesn’t win a Grammy, and the media agrees with her.

And it goes on and on.

And I’m not defending them.

And a lot of people on the left will say fuck them and their feelings.

But that’s the problem. The Left seemingly demands justice and equality, but the marginalized masses wonder why there never seems to be any for them. Or even more, why they are often attacked for it.
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What should Biden/Harris have done on January 21, 2021 to stop price of a head of lettuce from increasing 20% in the past four years?
Because for the last 36 hours, it's been drilled into me that Harris lost because the cost of a head of lettuce has increased 20% (or season tickets, or a 2x4 bought at Home Depot).

So I am all ears - what specific actions should they have taken to prevent the price of a head of lettuce increasing 20%?

Michael_ Gee · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:19 PM

We've all been in the journalism/communications business in our lives. So I think it's natural we think better communications of some kind would've kept Harris from losing. But I'm with Poin. Inflation, s global phenomenon related to the pandemic and its aftermath, was the main factor in this election, coupled with so many people's insane belief that Trump is a business genius.

kickoff-time · Nov 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM

It was sort of like this: Harris had a couple week run at the top of the charts. Trump was like Taylor Swift with an entire album in the top 40.

It didn't matter what she said or did or what shows, podcasts, etc. she went on. Bottom line is she wasn't as popular or well known as Trump.

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