UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

With the caveat that I am not licensed in New York and homicide law varies significantly from one state to the next, that doesn't seem like a big surprise to me.

Here, we would typically charge second degree to make sure the suspect is held and then a few days (or occasionally weeks) later we'd ask a grand jury to indict on first degree.

Probable cause for second degree murder is a fairly low burden and typically you're going in front of a busy magistrate in order to initiate the warrant.

It's just part of the process. Given the level of premeditation involved here, I'd be surprised if the charge isn't upgraded when it goes for indictment.

 

I found the following on Reddit, but it's the same info I read in the NYT story about the question of the charges:


It’s because of how New York codifies its murder statutes. In New York first degree murder is reserved for people charged with killing police officers, government officials, witnesses, contract killing, multiple murders and a few other special categories.

New York’s second degree murder is the intentional murder count that most states codify as first degree murder.

Here is New York’s first degree murder statute.

N.Y. Penal Law § 125.27 – Murder in the first degree

And here is their second degree statute.

N.Y. Penal Law § 125.25 – Murder in the second degree

 

No evidence Luigi Mangione published viral article

 

Good post, thanks. ... Not surprising at all, too.
Common knowledge for most newsroom veterans.

 

‘No one should have to be fighting cancer and insurance at the same time’


Diagnosed with leukemia three years ago, Tsoukalas, 26, was stunned to learn that her insurer’s coverage of the drug she needed came with a $13,000 monthly copay, which the recent college graduate could not afford. She was forced to go without the medication for three months, when she was finally able to obtain it through the drug manufacturer’s assistance program.

“No one should have to be fighting cancer and insurance at the same time,” Tsoukalas, a West Lafayette, Indiana, resident who is now in law school, told CNN. “It’s such a cruel system. We live in a country where people are truly kicked down when they are at their weakest and most vulnerable, both physically and emotionally.”

Tsoukalas, who is now in remission, is far from alone. Americans’ pent-up fury with the nation’s health insurance industry burst into the spotlight last week after the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in midtown Manhattan. They flooded social media with posts and videos about denials of medical treatments and claims, as well as other frustrations with the complicated system.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/business/us-health-care-insurance-frustrations/index.html

 

I paid $300 plus to have blood drawn yesterday as part of my annual physical. Insurance paid the other $1,200 for all the tests they'll be running. But, yeah, my co-pay on the actual visit was less than $35.

 

It depends on your policy and what sort of doctor you're seeing. In many cases co-pays are higher on specialists. I didn't watch it to see how the Dr. Drew quote was phrased, but if you're paying out of pocket with no insurance an extremely minimal, short, one complaint doctor visit will cost fifty bucks at rock bottom minimum. Probably more.

 

Concepts people, concepts.

 

I think there might be some context missing to that clip, but it certainly doesn't prove that health care is affordable.

Hannity basically says get the highest deductible you can afford. That is how it works. But does that make it good? My wife was a partner in a private practice and our deductable was like $15 grand snd the rest of the coverage sucked. But it did cover 100 percent after that. That made me feel good in case something did happen, but crap, how many people can afford $15 grand on the spot if they needed it? And that's on top of paying for premiums. On a side note, he also used it as a way to bash the ACA, but of course he did.

I am guessing Dr. Drew is just saying co-pays and you know, it isn't bad to just go to the doctor on that $35 or whatever. But still, what do you have to pay after that? Again, after premiums and whatever else.

We are on a pretty good plan right now with the help of a state government position, that is probably ridiculous when you consider it monthly, but we have no co-pays and a much lower deductible than at the last place. I would bet any doctor's appointment outside of annuals average about $150 a pop. With prescriptions and regular things we need, we almost always wipe out that deductible, which makes things at the end of the year cheap. I guess that's the bonus, pay a ton to not pay a lot at the end of the year.

 

More and more I don’t think the objection is “I’ll have to wait longer” so much as it is “I’ll have to wait as long as people I think I’m better than.”

 

Lakeland Karen FAFO on a recorded Blue Cross Blue Shield line. $100,000 bond! She'll be there awhile since the judge found that appropriate.

Gotta love the Free State of Florida.

https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-coun...urance-company-says-delay-deny-depose-police/